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Superb piece Heidi, not just well written, but professional and respectful. Multiple sources including Phil Hay have continually written that Bielsa would have the final say on transfers, and he and Orta would have heated words about transfers. The only player Orta insisted on, was Llorente, which may be why he has just received a new contract.

Hay said that Orta would give Bielsa a list of at least three players to pick from. I take your point about Arronson. We were strongly linked to him last January (under Bielsa) and bought him in the Summer under Marsch. I reckon Bielsa knew he was going to go on his own accord at the end of last season, and didn't want to bring his own players in, knowing Marsch was waiting in the wings.

Marsch has very little decorum, and tends to blurt things out without thinking. He is a young Manager, and will learn.

Thanks. I honestly think Bielsa was not going to go on his own accord because he always wanted to concentrate on the football and leave negotiations until the end of the season. As I said earlier, the stories started coming out around Christmas starting to discredit Bielsa and to me, they had already decided he was going. It was apparently around that time that Orta was meeting Marsch so as far as I'm concerned, it was the club's decision not to keep him on. Bielsa's reaction when he was sacked confirms that to me too. I'm still appalled by the way the club sacked him too. To leak it to the media and have it all over social media before announcing it properly the next day was disgraceful and not what I want to see happen at our club. I don't think they expected the reaction from fans either but again to me it wasn't just what was happening on the pitch, it was that bigger picture of bringing our club back together and what came with that image.
 
I thought pizza was allowed for players - well, at least after the match. An energy replacement, allegedly.

Don't you remember pizzagate? Aresenal players at Old Shiitheap decided that they'd embellish Old Rednose's suit with pizza that they chucked at him. They found the target more than they did during the match! If only someone had filmed it .....
I've no idea but when in the past the fitness levels were horrendous and they were seen stuffing themselves with pizza after games, it wasn't a good image.
 
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The one thing that has really upset me was when all the leaks discrediting Bielsa started to come out after Christmas last year and have carried on ever since, getting louder and louder on social media. The above highlighted piece was an April Fool's joke on Bielsa that has somehow become a fact. OK I can't remember where I saw that it was a joke so I can't prove that sadly.

Orta is the one who gets players not Bielsa or Marsch because Aaronson was on the list prior to Bielsa being sacked. I am still adamant that the size of squads and who we are buying was down to the club's stance and nothing to do with the coaches although they could say no. If someone being offered was worse which appears to have been the case with Bielsa, then why on earth would you buy them? I still think a lot of those linked were nothing more than PR which were never going to happen anyway but used as a stick against Bielsa. Yes I admit I didn't want him sacked because I looked at the bigger picture. I was absolutely certain at the time and I still maintain that stance, that once our players came back from injury then we would have been fine and had no chance of being relegated. The horrendous injury situation hit us so badly that it wasn't a surprise that we struggled against the top teams. We were building something that I have wanted back for a long time. We were united as a club and support, we played some fantastic football and were promoted back to the Premier League. Bielsa would never bad mouth his players, if you want to do anything then do it in private is my motto, but would also take ownership of everything. We would get up again very quickly when tackled and played the game how I wanted it to be done. I know there are many cheats out there and we see it week in, week out with players feigning injury and time wasting etc but I was glad we weren't like that. We were that team and fans that had others envious of that old school atmosphere and although it wasn't going to happen overnight, it was always going to take time. I honestly thought there was no way we were going down at that stage when he was sacked. Our fitness levels were the best they had ever been so we could play for the whole game rather than 45 or 70 minutes at a time as we had been doing prior to his arrival. To me, the players were aware before the Spurs game that he was going to be sacked regardless, as to me it was seeing how gutted some of the players reactions were at full time.

I don't agree with your comment of getting rid of all Bielsa's rejects either. We were supposed to be building onwards under Marsch on the foundations of what we had started only to see that everything has been obliterated in a year. We have gone backwards as a club, we have had a split ownership which has contributed to that in my opinion and the fans are starting to turn. It is going to get toxic again on the terraces which I don't really want to see again but it is inevitable. I only make my judgements by what I see on the pitch at the time. I have no issues with Marsch as a person but I do not like the throwing of his team under the bus, his antics in the dug out, his interviews when never taking ownership and to be honest, I don't understand what he is trying to say half the time so I switch off. He would do better by less talking and concentrating on what is happening on the pitch. Under any manager for me, what we need is someone to be in the Director's Box with a link to the dug out like we used to have under Don Revie. It is a completely different game pitch side than further up the terraces and maybe they could see what we fans do every game and make changes sooner. The Cardiff game saw the subs making the change so it didn't feel as bad when we only really played for the last 16 minutes of the game. Suicidal tactics when we won a corner at Villa had us on the back foot after three minutes. I've seen Struijk get so much stick but he cannot mark two players at once which looks to have been the case from one photo I saw.

People will always make their own judgements and have their own opinions which is fine by me and we can all agree to disagree. One thing I do know is that we all want the best for our club, but one thing is for sure. we have to start picking more points up otherwise Marsch will find his position untenable.
Spot on <ok>
 
We have very differing opinions.

It is of my opinion that Bielsa CHOSE not to make more Summer 2021 signings and January 2022 signings. I see no evidence of Radz publicly saying there was no money in January. It was widely speculated that Bielsa turned down the chance to take to take Donny Van de Beek, Deli Ali and one other I can't remember.

I suspect Bielsa was looking to quit in the Summer, and having beaten West Ham and Burnley early Januay thought Leeds were strong enough to keep their heads above water, and wanted to leave his predecessor more spending money.

Marsch saved Leeds from relegation when Bielsa's team was leaking goals like a sieve, and still hasn't had a proper opportunity to make as many changes as he would like as there's so much crap to get rid of. We lost an England and Brazilian International in the Summer, yet Marsch has conceded less goals from more games since taking over (compared to Biela's 26 games in charge last season).

People criticise Marsch for not changing his tactics, though Bielsa would never change his starting line up (unless of injury), formation or tactics, and would reveal the starting line up every week (until the club were forced to stop him) but was considered a tactical genius! I don't get it!!!!!!! His signings (apart from Raphinha) were poor, and has a poor Managerial record as far as trophies are concerned. No wonder he's widely known as El Loco (The Madman).

Leeds fans are widely criticised for living on past glories, but whilst I'm grateful for what he's done, its time to move on. We should back Marsch, let him assemble his own squad and then judge him.

Oh dear Ell, ridiculous at best