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The Reality of Arsenal's Position

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Arsenal87, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. Arsenal87

    Arsenal87 Well-Known Member

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    Today's game simply proves what i've been saying week after week, AFC at the moment, contrary to the delusions of some fans (including on this board), are not a top quality side, and when I say top quality side, I mean that we're not in the same bracket as your Manunited's, Barca's, Madrids, and other major clubs.

    It's really time that everyone accept our position, which is that we're simply the 4th best team in the land, and that's all we can really hope for at the moment, persistent top 4 finishes, nothing more really, challenging for major silverware in terms of the league and champions league are well beyond our reach. Season after season Arsenal have been stagnant in this same position, there has been zero progress, every season it's the same thing, simply fighting for a top 4 spot, and finishing well off the pace from the other top teams, so why do people still have these grand delusions that we're suddenly title contenders as some fans were claiming just a few weeks ago?

    Unless there are big changes to the way we do things, then nothing will change, sadly, I don't think big changes will happen, the board, and Wenger, seem content with our current position of simply ending top 4 every year without really challenging for major trophies.

    Now some might say we should be content with that, simply being a top 4 side, I say NO, simply being a top 4 side is a major regression of AFC. Why? Simple, when we moved to the Emirates stadium, we were told that this would be the next step for Arsenal in making us become a major side, to basically build on the success we had at Highbury, to insure that that success continued and to make sure we even got better. Instead of getting that, we have simply gone backwards, when we moved to the Emirates, nobody ever said that now we're going to simply fight for 4th spot, and that 4th place is the new trophy, so it's a load of sh!t when people try to excuse our mediocre seasons by saying oh well at least we get top 4, that was NEVER the objectives or promises we were told, so we have regressed, no 2 ways about it.

    So time to accept reality boys, Arsenal football club are just a team that will always scrap for 4th, with the odd season where we finish 3rd, nothing more really, the board and Wenger both share this responsibility, both of them together have contributed to our regression, nobody forces Wenger to start sh!t players like Ramsey and Gervino on a consistent basis, and before that the likes of Denilson, Bendtner, Squilachi, and the f--king list goes on.

    If finishing 4th place is like a trophy, then you can stick your trophy up your ass.
     
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  2. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Disappointing loss and a poor string of performances but your response seems like a knee-jerk
     
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  3. Arsenal87

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    Just read previous threads I've created, I've been saying this for a while, that we're not good enough, and all we are are a top 4 side, nothing more.

    We're a good team, but not elite material.
     
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  4. Arsegun

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    As far as I'm concerned, keep Merte, Sagna, Wilshere, Arteta, Cazorla, Walcott, Gibbs, and Oxo (although Ox not ready yet). The rest can **** off.

    Podolski has disappointed me more than anyone. He does absolutely nothing. Doesn't track back, doesn't make runs, doesn't get into the box. He used to be one of my favorite players in the world, but for Arsenal he's useless.

    Buy
    Striker
    Left winger (Pacey, dangerous and preferably Spanish)
    Centre back (strong and powerful like Hummels or Subotic).
    Defensive Midfielder
    Goalie

    They should all be first team quality when they move. If we buy Wilfred Zaha or some 18 year old, I will ****ing blow my top.
     
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  5. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    Did you know you are allowed to swear on this site.You don't have to substitute letters with - or *.If you don't like profanities just tturn the swear filter on <ok>
     
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  6. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    We don't need a GK Chez should be back for Fulham. We could get Hummels, M'Villa, I think Gerv could still have a good season but there is AFCON, Giroud will come good but another striker is also good.
     
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  7. Arsenal87

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    I know you can swear, lol, just want to be well mannered and not always swear uncensored. :-D.
     
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  8. Sanj

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    Why the **** would Hummels leave Dortmund to join us?
     
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  9. Arsenal87

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    We need:

    -New striker

    -New left back

    -New creative winger
     
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  10. Sanj

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    Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa is someone we can get. Was very impressive when we faced Montpellier.
     
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    We can get him if we offered enough.
     
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  12. Sanj

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    He is one of the best CB's in the world. We simply do not buy players in that class. You can bring up Cazorla, but his situation was unique.
     
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  13. Kyle?

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    I've heard a rumour that he's signed a pre-contract agreement with AC Milan.
     
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  14. Arsegun

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    We need to start
     
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  15. Krome

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    Even if we could afford the transfer fee, we couldnt afford the wages.
     
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  16. TenG

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    I don't understand it.

    When I look at United, I see a squad full of the likes of Anderson, Nani, Cleverly, Carrick, Fletcher - hardly world class players with a hige (or even moderate) international standing, yet they are highkly effective in the Man United team. They seem to be able to be more than te sum of their parts.

    Put another way, if we swapped all the above named palyesr for their equivalent counterparts from Asrsenal, would they be just as effective? I doubt it.

    The performance today was severely disappointing. 2-0 with 10 minutes to go, yet all we can do play the ball around the back aimlessly without a clue.

    Podolski seemed to lack motivation. Giroud tries but just isnt getting the run of the ball.

    Carzola tried but had very little in front of him to aim at.

    Ramsey - when I learned he was in the starting 11 I was angry and bemused - the guy has had generously ample time to prove himslef and improve, but his contribution falls between passivity and liability.

    The rest of the squad is decent players who if they were at other clubs would probably look good, but have had the form and motivation driven out of them - Chamach, Arshavin, etc.

    True, we looked good prior to Diaby's injury, but to not have cover for him given his inuury record is laughable.

    Wilshere - maybe I am blind, but my overiding image of him is someone who head down runs the ball into cul-de-sacs; gets the crowd excited to see himj drive forward but he hasn't learnt when to release the ball.

    In terms of result I was expectinh much worse, in terms of performance and effort I was expetcing much better. Even ast year we mange 2x the number of shots and could conceivable have scored 4 in the 8-2. But this was a poor, poor performance. I see us in the same batch as Fulham, WBA, Newcastle, and I see Everton/SPurs as being stronger candidiates for 4th spot.

    Frankly, I'm bored too with seeing us qualify for CL, then win our group and then wait for the ineviatble knockout agianst a team with real ambition to win. I'd rather we finish 7th this season if it means we will have some serious investment for next season. If we finish 4th, it will be more of teh same next season.
     
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  17. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Yes we can
     
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  18. Krome

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    Alright, we don't pay the wages
     
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  19. Arsenal87

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    This is where you can honestly question Wenger's managerial capabilities, when it comes to tactical awareness, does he seriously have any? One of Wenger's biggest flaws, is that he goes into every game with the same mentality of "we will just play our football", well that tactic's obviously not working, and when something's not working, why not fix it? Why not go into a game with United, and other big teams, with some real tactics? Our performance today was pitiful, it was obvious we had no clear tactics, and so what else can you expect? United know what to do, it's very simple, Arsenal will just play pass pass and go forward, all you do, is press hard, keep a strong back line, and eventually you break the play down.

    For ****s sake, if your team is inferior, then make a ****ing game plan to stifle the opposition and be able to get something out of the game, but Wenger never does that, and the fact is we are continually going to lose points because of it.

    last but not least, this Arsenal side, on a technical level, isn't even that good compared to our teams of the past, so even that mentality of we will just play football can't work anymore because we don't have a high level of technical players at this club, you have to be out of your f--king mind to think you can play the beautiful game with average players like Ramsey in the team.
     
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  20. Kyle?

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    Cant you just create 1 large thread whenever we lose, instead of all these little ones. Call it "Arsenal87's Rant Thread".

    Maybe team up with Ajameshowe too.
     
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