Off Topic The Pyramids and Stone henge

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Why is it?
Genuinely - my mind is boggled
This is what I do for a living mate. The more you learn about ancient societies, the more you learn that they were much more complex than the layman generally thinks. It's amazing that they could build things like pyramids without modern machinery but it's amazing because they found ways to do it without that machinery.
 
For some yes, for others not so much.

I dont like the focus on Graham Hancock. He is a self proclaimed mouthpiece for the community that like to question science, and present alternative ideas. That said, in my opinion, the scientific community hide behind him somewhat as the so called 'pseudo archeologist' and use him as evidence of crackpot theories that should not be listened to. I think that is unfair, but he plays to the crowds now so I have little sympathy. There are numerous qualified archeologists and other scientists questioning the understanding we have. They ask what I consider to be plausible questions, but often get shut down too quickly, if they associate with the likes of Hancock. My opinion anyway.

Full transparency, I work in HE and academia. I am not an academic. I am what some academics still call an admin guy. The university calls me a professional services guy. That shift happened as little as 10 years ago. Admin to professional service. There are academics, thankfully reducing in number, who still I am just admin to serve them. The real reality I have spent more time gaining my qualifications than they have in many circumstances. I run part of the IT org that interacts with academia, and quite often researchers or academics come to me to tell me what to do for them. My first reaction is why. Some really hate that question. A non-academic asking and academic why! After the why I more often than not say no. For a minority it creates a borderline self-combustion. Over the last 10 years I am glad to say that is lessening, and it is a more and more respectful relationship. Still some way to go. None of this may be relevant, but my experience of trying to help academic colleagues do the right and best thing, from an IT perspective, is maddening. AI is creating a whole new challenge, but that is for another thread. I wonder if this is how they react to challenge to their research from those they deem unqualified? Science, in my opinon at least, do a great job of making their work and findings impregnable to the normal bloke. I listen to Brian Cox, and find him maddening. The amount of times he laughs at alternative theories, or daft questions, is divisive. Patrick Moore never behaved in that way to be honest.

Ramble over. I just think questioning, asking why, challenging, and being inquisitive is healthy. Science needs to open up, Hancock and his peers need to pipe down. There is way too much evidence coming out all the time to think our understanding of the ancient world is 100% locked in. Seems to me we know very little, so why not ask questions and make suggestions. Healthy debate nevet hurt many.
I'd have said this is what's happening. We're constantly changing the way we view things and coming up with new answers. Ideas about certain things have already changed during the short span of my career. It's just that academia has long since moved past the ancient super society theory, for the reasons I said previously.

There definitely is knowledge that's been lost and not yet found again though.
 
I'd have said this is what's happening. We're constantly changing the way we view things and coming up with new answers. Ideas about certain things have already changed during the short span of my career. It's just that academia has long since moved past the ancient super society theory, for the reasons I said previously.

There definitely is knowledge that's been lost and not yet found again though.

We are down a rabbit hole.

Where did the knowledge come from, that was here thousands of years ago?
How was it lost?
Knowledge of what / whom?

Rhetorical questions really, but fascinating answers (when they are discovered)
 
Aliens for me.

Isnt machu picchu linked to the pyramids of Egypt and giza etc?!?! All these areas depicted aliens too, whether in stone or drawings. I'd guess every God, in every religion in the world is a ****ing alien.

What really gets me is the engineering to build and place the really important stuff like pyramids to a mm. Also the precision of the stone work is absolutely insane, we've literally just invented laser cutters that do similar jobs to what they were doing 1000s of years ago!

The world also went to **** after being so far advanced for years. Probably when the aliens ****ed off <laugh>
 
Aliens for me.

Isnt machu picchu linked to the pyramids of Egypt and giza etc?!?! All these areas depicted aliens too, whether in stone or drawings. I'd guess every God, in every religion in the world is a ****ing alien.

What really gets me is the engineering to build and place the really important stuff like pyramids to a mm. Also the precision of the stone work is absolutely insane, we've literally just invented laser cutters that do similar jobs to what they were doing 1000s of years ago!

The world also went to **** after being so far advanced for years. Probably when the aliens ****ed off <laugh>

is there truth in the story of the great flood in the Old Testament?
Not the Noah’s Arc bit, but that there in fact was a great flood which wiped out the civilisations which existed at that time?
Could that be when the knowledge was lost?
 
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is there truth in the story of the great flood in the Old Testament?
Not the Noah’s Arc bit, but that there in fact was a great flood which wiped out the civilisations which existed at that time?
Could that be when the knowledge was lost?
It's not that there's one set of knowledge that's been lost. It's more that as certain societies collapsed a portion of the knowledge that they held was lost to us. Including how and why they did certain things.

As for Noah's arc, there's no evidence for a world-wide flood but there was probably a localised event that inspired the story. There is an historical core truth to many if not all bible stories but you have to remember that they are very old stories (particularly in the old testament) when people understood the world in a very different way.
 
It's not that there's one set of knowledge that's been lost. It's more that as certain societies collapsed a portion of the knowledge that they held was lost to us. Including how and why they did certain things.

As for Noah's arc, there's no evidence for a world-wide flood but there was probably a localised event that inspired the story. There is an historical core truth to many if not all bible stories but you have to remember that they are very old stories (particularly in the old testament) when people understood the world in a very different way.
Younger Dryas? About 14000 years ago? My understanding it was a period of mass climate change, which resulted rising sea levels in some areas. If so land masses would have been lost to the sea and perhaps spawned some of the flood stories that appear around the world? Could civilisations have went with the land masses? Probably where atlantis went :emoticon-0105-wink:

During the younger dryas I believe species of megafauna were lost, such as giant sloths and mammoths. Maybe my giant theory holds up a bit <laugh>
 
Younger Dryas? About 14000 years ago? My understanding it was a period of mass climate change, which resulted rising sea levels in some areas. If so land masses would have been lost to the sea and perhaps spawned some of the flood stories that appear around the world? Could civilisations have went with the land masses? Probably where atlantis went :emoticon-0105-wink:

During the younger dryas I believe species of megafauna were lost, such as giant sloths and mammoths. Maybe my giant theory holds up a bit <laugh>
Yeah, that's a decent theory.
 
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is there truth in the story of the great flood in the Old Testament?
Not the Noah’s Arc bit, but that there in fact was a great flood which wiped out the civilisations which existed at that time?
Could that be when the knowledge was lost?
No idea mate. Tbh it's the first time I've heard of that