Off Topic The Politics Thread

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  1. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member
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    Precisely, and they will become the UK of xxxx, in the EU, so let them decide and foot the bill. It would be bonkers to contemplate building a bridge
     
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  2. Steveo

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    Boris can get away with anything because there is no opposition !
    I see that HS2 is also now going ahead <laugh>
     
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    What is the actual point of HS2? Why is it needed? The figure is around £120bn if I'm not mistaken surely it would be better to just invest that money or some of it at least into the current railway system to improve the services up and down the country.
     
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    Amazing what putting a couple of women to the fore does eh? Gives it a softer angle..appeals as very PC too..young voters lap all this up and hey presto suddenly those past terrorist days are forgotten almost as if it was a different party. I m sure the party spin machine has been in overdrive sorting that out...:emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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  5. Archers Road

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    Given that the vast majority of rail journeys are work commutes, investment would be far better directed at improving journey times between Preston and Manchester, or Stevenage to London, than Manchester to London.
     
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  6. Ste D

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    Sinn Fein were hammered in Euro Election six months ago and are now practically the biggest party. The big issues in this election was the housing crisis, homelessness, health and child care fees.Brexit and nationalism played second fiddle so on outside it might look like an endorsement for a united ireland when it was really a protest vote against the two established parties Fianna Fail and Fine Gael who are basically two cheeks of the same arse.Sinn Fein always done well in working class areas but were never transfer friendly and normal polled poorly in middle class areas.That trend seems to have changed as young middle class people are struggling to get on the propery ladder and paying high rent. A change of the old guard from Adams to the more media friendly Mary Lou McDonald has helped take away the IRA tag. People still have concerns about their economic policys as they have never been in power down south.Folk have got sick of the FF/FG stranglehold on power since the formation of the state and wanted change.Strange times ahead indeed.
     
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  7. QuarterMoonII

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    Sinn Fein equals the IRA but without the guns in the Republic.

    Strange how everyone spends so much time hailing the Good Friday Agreement when ostensibly the IRA bombed and shot its way to the negotiating table and then decided to ceasefire while it was getting offered something. Truly a Pyrrhic victory, given the number of people that died in the cause of a united Ireland that has not actually happened.
     
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  8. QuarterMoonII

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    The last estimate for HS2 was £106bn. This surely is the most colossal white elephant ever devised. Boris is going to put a minister in charge to sort out the project management, so expect the actual bill to at least double as everyone queues up to get a slice of the money, especially if inflation picks up and the workforce all want pay rises.

    I expect that the review into the Birmingham to Manchester/Leeds leg will decide to scrap that to save money. HS2 is just about turning Birmingham into a commuter dormitory for London. The half hour journey time saving is completely pointless as once you arrive in London half an hour earlier, you still have to use the congested London public transport system to get to where you want to be (unless you are going 100 yards from Euston Station) so you will make no real saving.

    If they are going to run 18 trains an hour at 200mph, how quickly can a train stop from 200mph if the one in front derails, breaks down or runs over some suicide? A train leaving every three minutes is just fantasy.

    Most of us do not need to worry about this farce anyway as it is not due to open for fifteen years, by which time London will be so overcrowded that no-one will want to be there.

    A better use for the money would be to actually improve the infrastructure across the North and improve rail freight links to our ports as we will want to be trading with the rest of the world and goods cannot all travel by truck if we are intent on sticking to our environmental commitments.
     
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  9. Ste D

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    So do you actually agree with the Good Friday Agreement? Whats wrong with having peace after thirty years of turmoil.All sides suffered and every party made gains/ losses from that deal but most important thing was the guns havent returned and there is stability now in the north.
    There is also a move away down south to break away from the ira and the old brigrade party members like Gerry Adams.Most of the young candidates elected were not even teenagers when the good friday agreement was signed so to say they equal the IRA is stupid and naive
     
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  10. QuarterMoonII

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    That Good Friday Agreement that was supposed to lead to peaceful power-sharing at Stormont but was mothballed for three years from 2017 because the two sides could not agree to it? How long until the Jocks are planting bombs in England to try and get independence?

    If everyone in Sinn Fein is 22 and under and has never heard of the IRA then perhaps it would be fair to disassociate them with their past. However, anyone that believes that is living in an alternative reality.

    I am pretty sure that the Protestant/Unionist half of Northern Ireland welcomed the Good Friday Agreement as it got the terrorists off the streets even if they still do not see eye to eye with their Catholic/Republican neighbours. Just as good for people on mainland Britain who saw loved ones killed in the name of a cause not even local to them. The IRA should have known they had no chance when Jeremy Corbyn backed them.
     
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    So due to Brexit it seems that Germany will have to increase their EU subsidy by 10bn a year, Austria and Holland will have to be doubled from 5bn to 10bn, which the Dutch say they will not do. The slack being picked up by the 5 super contributors is causing problems. Never mind, Macedonia and Albania are joining soon.
     
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  12. Steveo

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    So just 2 months in and already Johnson has lost his Chancellor <laugh>
     
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    Didn’t fancy having to justify building a bridge to nowhere, and ploughing up ancient woodland for a railway no-one wants, while continuing to starve health and education of funds?

    He was probably also a bit concerned at having to find 20,000 police officers to replace the ones his predecessor got rid of, without spending any money.
     
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  14. Steveo

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    Sajid Javid has certainly gone up in my estimation of him. - he may yet make it to PM

    the worrying thing here is why he was being asked to sack his advisers
     
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    The man who runs the country - Dominic Cummings - seems to want his own hand picked underlings in all key positions.
     
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    As Special Advisers are contract consultants, all he would do is not renew their contracts; not sack them. Ending their contracts early means paying them off like a football manager.

    Obviously Boris is following the Trump playbook. The only problem is that he does not have enough extended family for appointment nepotism. I think his sister Rachel is a Lib Dem so he could not bring her in to do as she is told. If he brought his dad in, Boris would be on the naughty step by the end of most cabinet meetings.

    We will probably find out at some future date that Javid’s advisers had come up with some suggestions for the budget that Boris/Dominic did not like, so the easy way to change them was to get rid of the advisers and replace them with No. 10 stooges.
     
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  17. Steveo

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    how the special advisers are disposed of is irrelevant really.
    the problem here is that Johnson is increasingly ruling like a dictator and that has to be worrying for the whole country.
     
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    It will play to his core support in that they’ll consider it shows him as a strong leader. My view is that he looks as weak as piss but there you go.
     
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  20. Steveo

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    he is probably the weakest PM there has ever been - all bluster, no substance.
    at some point his lies will get exposed and things will come crashing down around him.
     
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