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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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    Votes: 56 47.9%
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    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
If rail fares are pegged to RPI rises, and are expected to go up by over 11% next year, why not rail workers wages as well?
Rail fares in the UK look so very expensive already, at least to a visitor, that I'm surprised anyone not extremely well can afford to use them. There always seemed to be far cheaper buses available to.
 
Rail fares in the UK look so very expensive already, at least to a visitor, that I'm surprised anyone not extremely well can afford to use them. There always seemed to be far cheaper buses available to.
A lot of us get discounts - as an over 60 I get a third off, similar deals for those aged under 29 I think, and transport in London is free for over 60s. I took the train in Denmark recently and unless you planned well in advance (as we did, and similar to the U.K.) it was incredibly expensive.
 
A lot of us get discounts - as an over 60 I get a third off, similar deals for those aged under 29 I think, and transport in London is free for over 60s. I took the train in Denmark recently and unless you planned well in advance (as we did, and similar to the U.K.) it was incredibly expensive.

Bus rides anywhere in England are free for people living in England who have reached the state pension age, and get a bus pass.
 
Don't much like either, Yorks. But since we were talking about rail strikes which are set to ruin some people's lives (see reports on youngsters not being able to get to their exam site etc), it does look like bribe money to in return for sanitising the strikes.

Well either you believe in the right to take industrial action or not. Personally I do although I take both points that it's not always justified or reasonable and that certain public sectors should have some form of binding independent adjudication. I suffered for years as a victim of Bob Crowe on SW Trains for fairly ridiculous claims. Is there a link between the current action and the payments made since as you seem to suggest by the use of the word 'bribe'. Surely not, for the moneys received by the MPs before this action was even ballotted.
 
rwanda cant be that bad then

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First evacuation flight of 2022 from Libya to Rwanda brings over 100 asylum seekers to safety
30 Mar 2022

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119 Refugees and asylum-seekers evacuated from Libya to Rwanda arrived at Kigali International Airport on March 29, 2022. © UNHCR/Eric Didier Karinganire

UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency, on Tuesday evening evacuated a group of 119 vulnerable asylum seekers out of Libya to safety in Rwanda.

The group of men, women, and children – the youngest less than one year old – were from Eritrea, Sudan, South Sudan, and Somalia. Most had been living in urban areas of Tripoli, and others had been arbitrarily held in detention, some for several months.

The group evacuated last night will join another 269 refugees and asylum seekers at the Emergency Transit Mechanism (ETM) in Gashora, Rwanda, where UNHCR provides assistance including shelter, food, medical care, psycho-social support for vulnerable cases, activities for children, and language courses.

“These evacuation flights out of Libya continue to provide hope and safety to refugees and asylum seekers trapped in Libya”, said UNHCR’s acting Chief of Mission in Libya, Djamal Zamoum.

“Their success lies in the generosity of donors, and the good cooperation and coordination with Libyan and Rwandan authorities. However, additional effort is needed from other countries to speed-up the implementation of durable solutions from Rwanda and provide more resettlement opportunities for the most vulnerable refugees from Libya.”

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The group will stay at the transit facility while durable solutions are sought for them, including resettlement, voluntary return to countries where they had previously been granted asylum, countries of origin whenever it is safe to do so, or integration with local Rwandan communities, if possible.

“African solutions to African problems such as the evacuation of children, women, and men in critical need is a success we are grateful to be part of,” said Ahmed Baba Fall, the UNHCR Representative in Rwanda. “The efforts to give a chance to these new evacuees in a very safe place that the Government of Rwanda, the African Union, and our donors continue to support are commendable and UNHCR reiterates its commitment to continued protection services, life-saving assistance as durable solutions are sought.”

The Emergency Transit Mechanism in Rwanda was set up in mid-2019, following an agreement between the Government of Rwanda, UNHCR, and the African Union, and with financial support from the European Union, Austria, Denmark, Germany, and the USA, to provide a safe space and long-term solutions to some of the most vulnerable asylum seekers and refugees in Libya.

Rwanda has since received over 900 asylum seekers, who arrived on eight evacuation flights from Libya to the ETM since its establishment. 67% of them have been resettled to third countries.

With this latest evacuation, 8,143 vulnerable refugees and asylum seekers have been taken out of Libya to various safer countries since 2017.
 
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Is there a link between the current action and the payments made since as you seem to suggest by the use of the word 'bribe'. Surely not, for the moneys received by the MPs before this action was even ballotted.

Have you never heard of organisations putting politicians on the payroll so the payers can call in a favour at some point in the future? Happens on both sides of the electoral spectrum.
 
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Keir Starmer
Poll says Keir Starmer worse choice for PM than Boris Johnson
Labour ahead of Tories by two points, but Labour’s leader failing to make a personal breakthrough

Michael Savage Policy Editor
Sat 11 Jun 2022 14.57 EDT
Boris Johnson makes a better prime minister than Keir Starmer would despite Partygate, the cost of living crisis and the confidence vote in Johnson held by his MPs, according to the latest Observer poll.

The Opinium figures, which will raise further concerns within Labour over the party leader’s performance, shows that the prime minister has a two-point lead over his opponent. It also reveals that Starmer’s party holds a narrow two-point lead, compared with a three-point lead in the last poll a fortnight ago. Labour are on 36% of the vote, with the Tories up one point on 34%. The Lib Dems are on 13% with the Greens on 6%.


Johnson’s poor approval ratings have improved slightly at -27, compared with -30 two weeks ago. Starmer holds an approval rating of -6, unchanged from two weeks ago.

While 28% think Johnson would make the best prime minister, 26% opted for Starmer.

It comes with Labour MPs still feeling gloomy over Starmer’s performance at prime minister’s questions on Wednesday.

Hopes for that encounter had been high following the confidence vote held by Tory MPs over Johnson’s leadership, a move that left the prime minister deeply wounded with 148 voting against him.


However, many within Labour’s ranks found Starmer’s performance to be flat and criticised his line of questioning. Even some Tory rebels were baffled by Starmer’s performance, saying it had helped Johnson regain some stability after the confidence vote. Angela Rayner, the Labour deputy leader, also suggested that Starmer looks too much like a lawyer in public appearances and should “put some more welly” into his speeches.
 
Show caption
Keir Starmer
Poll says Keir Starmer worse choice for PM than Boris Johnson
Labour ahead of Tories by two points, but Labour’s leader failing to make a personal breakthrough

Michael Savage Policy Editor
Sat 11 Jun 2022 14.57 EDT
Boris Johnson makes a better prime minister than Keir Starmer would despite Partygate, the cost of living crisis and the confidence vote in Johnson held by his MPs, according to the latest Observer poll.

The Opinium figures, which will raise further concerns within Labour over the party leader’s performance, shows that the prime minister has a two-point lead over his opponent. It also reveals that Starmer’s party holds a narrow two-point lead, compared with a three-point lead in the last poll a fortnight ago. Labour are on 36% of the vote, with the Tories up one point on 34%. The Lib Dems are on 13% with the Greens on 6%.


Johnson’s poor approval ratings have improved slightly at -27, compared with -30 two weeks ago. Starmer holds an approval rating of -6, unchanged from two weeks ago.

While 28% think Johnson would make the best prime minister, 26% opted for Starmer.

It comes with Labour MPs still feeling gloomy over Starmer’s performance at prime minister’s questions on Wednesday.

Hopes for that encounter had been high following the confidence vote held by Tory MPs over Johnson’s leadership, a move that left the prime minister deeply wounded with 148 voting against him.


However, many within Labour’s ranks found Starmer’s performance to be flat and criticised his line of questioning. Even some Tory rebels were baffled by Starmer’s performance, saying it had helped Johnson regain some stability after the confidence vote. Angela Rayner, the Labour deputy leader, also suggested that Starmer looks too much like a lawyer in public appearances and should “put some more welly” into his speeches.

This is an unfair poll because apparently women without penises took part, and rumour is they think Sir Keir himself is a bit of a dick
 
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I am already booked to go on holiday tomorrow ( see you lot in a fortnight)..but last minute.com has a lot of cheap seats on a flight to Rwanda tomorrow...leaving from Gatwick.

Told by a friend called Boris, Rwanda is a jubbly place
 
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Have you never heard of organisations putting politicians on the payroll so the payers can call in a favour at some point in the future? Happens on both sides of the electoral spectrum.
Yes. Does that make it bribery? Is that an admission then that Sajid Javid and other Tory MPs who receive extortionate sums of money for lobbying are actually taking bribes. Or is only non-Tories who can be accused of that?
 
Yes. Does that make it bribery? Is that an admission then that Sajid Javid and other Tory MPs who receive extortionate sums of money for lobbying are actually taking bribes. Or is only non-Tories who can be accused of that?

I said it can happen on both sides of the electoral spectrum. Owen Patterson left for broadly that reason. It does look close to bribery.

In the case of these five Labour MPs, they are taking money and then backing a strike that will prevent normal working people going to work. Doesn't look attractive to me.
 
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I am already booked to go on holiday tomorrow ( see you lot in a fortnight)..but last minute.com has a lot of cheap seats on a flight to Rwanda tomorrow...leaving from Gatwick.

Told by a friend called Boris, Rwanda is a jubbly place

Whatever one thinks about the Rwanda policy and I have mixed feelings about it, it's completely undemocratic that left wing lawyers and uncooperative civil servants are blocking the policy of a government voted in with a very big majority.
Ptritti Patel didn't "bully" the civil servants anywhere near enough
 
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Whatever one thinks about the Rwanda policy and I have mixed feelings about it, it's completely undemocratic that left wing lawyers and uncooperative civil servants are blocking the policy of a government voted in with a very big majority.
Ptritti Patel didn't "bully" the civil servants anywhere near enough

Col... the people who voted in Boris...knew nothing about Rwanda deportations then.
.irrelevant point.

A logical extension of your argument...

If Boris decided to kill all ginger Tom cats...you could use the same argument to say he is allowed to, because he was voted in with a big majority
 
Whatever one thinks about the Rwanda policy and I have mixed feelings about it, it's completely undemocratic that left wing lawyers and uncooperative civil servants are blocking the policy of a government voted in with a very big majority.
Ptritti Patel didn't "bully" the civil servants anywhere near enough

What if it turns out to be illegal? If the policy is blocked by the courts it will be because it's against the law, not because 'left wing lawyers' don't like it.

Presumably the lawyers defending the policy will all be right wing?
 
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Col... the people who voted in Boris...knew nothing about Rwanda deportations then.
.irrelevant point.

A logical extension of your argument...

If Boris decided to kill all ginger Tom cats...you could use the same argument to say he is allowed to, because he was voted in with a big majority

Ridiculous comparison Beth.

I'm talking about a democratically elected government, with a big majority, being prevented from carrying out it's policies by lawyers and civil servants.