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The government has resisted for nearly a year the release of documents that could shed light on whether the Conservative MP Owen Paterson promoted a healthcare firm that paid him to be a consultant.

For more than 11 months the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has failed to respond to a freedom of information request seeking records of a meeting between a health minister, Paterson and the firm, Randox.

Nothing to see here, just the usual corrupt behaviour that we continually accept as the norm.
 
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bobmid said:
The government has resisted for nearly a year the release of documents that could shed light on whether the Conservative MP Owen Paterson promoted a healthcare firm that paid him to be a consultant.

For more than 11 months the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has failed to respond to a freedom of information request seeking records of a meeting between a health minister, Paterson and the firm, Randox.

Nothing to see here, just the usual corrupt behaviour that we continually accept as the norm.
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The smokescreen, that this investigation into inappropriate lobbying led to his wife’s suicide, is in place.
 
bobmid said:
I think its all a ****ing farce. Remember those days when there werent any problems like this?
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I wonder what the odds are on yet another war in Europe are now compared to what they were before Brexit entered the English vocabulary. Much,'much shorter I'm sure.
 
I remember the days when the French burned our sheep, blockaded their ports, stuffed up ferry terminals with their lorries etc. Where was the Europhile outcry then?

I heard today that we'd granted fishing licences to 98% of French vessels that applied and were able to demonstrate that they qualified for such a licence. I'm not quite sure why 2% were declined. I'm also not sure whether this is entirely true or is the root cause of the French boeuf.

Frankly, I want our Brexit negotiators and UK officials to be tough. Is anybody prepared to admit that it remains a possibility - just a possibility, mind - that it might be the French that are being unreasonable in this instance?

Why is it that, just as soon as there's a problem with our European neighbours, the default position is to assume the Brits are playing unfair?

We've even got Os out of his bath chair and crying War!
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I remember the days when the French burned our sheep, blockaded their ports, stuffed up ferry terminals with their lorries etc. Where was the Europhile outcry then?

I heard today that we'd granted fishing licences to 98% of French vessels that applied and were able to demonstrate that they qualified for such a licence. I'm not quite sure why 2% were declined. I'm also not sure whether this is entirely true or is the root cause of the French boeuf.

Frankly, I want our Brexit negotiators and UK officials to be tough. Is anybody prepared to admit that it remains a possibility - just a possibility, mind - that it might be the French that are being unreasonable in this instance?

Why is it that, just as soon as there's a problem with our European neighbours, the default position is to assume the Brits are playing unfair?

We've even got Os out of his bath chair and crying War!
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Uber_Hoop said:
I remember the days when the French burned our sheep, blockaded their ports, stuffed up ferry terminals with their lorries etc. Where was the Europhile outcry then?

I heard today that we'd granted fishing licences to 98% of French vessels that applied and were able to demonstrate that they qualified for such a licence. I'm not quite sure why 2% were declined. I'm also not sure whether this is entirely true or is the root cause of the French boeuf.

Frankly, I want our Brexit negotiators and UK officials to be tough. Is anybody prepared to admit that it remains a possibility - just a possibility, mind - that it might be the French that are being unreasonable in this instance?

Why is it that, just as soon as there's a problem with our European neighbours, the default position is to assume the Brits are playing unfair?

We've even got Os out of his bath chair and crying War!
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I’m sure there’s some political leverage to be gained on the French side too with whatever the equivalent demographic is there to our millions of flag-molesting weirdos. Both sides will eke out of it what they can. Is the French government quite as incompetent, uncaring and lazy as ours? It’s possible but I’d guess not.
 
Uber_Hoop said:
I remember the days when the French burned our sheep, blockaded their ports, stuffed up ferry terminals with their lorries etc. Where was the Europhile outcry then?

I heard today that we'd granted fishing licences to 98% of French vessels that applied and were able to demonstrate that they qualified for such a licence. I'm not quite sure why 2% were declined. I'm also not sure whether this is entirely true or is the root cause of the French boeuf.

Frankly, I want our Brexit negotiators and UK officials to be tough. Is anybody prepared to admit that it remains a possibility - just a possibility, mind - that it might be the French that are being unreasonable in this instance?

Why is it that, just as soon as there's a problem with our European neighbours, the default position is to assume the Brits are playing unfair?

We've even got Os out of his bath chair and crying War!
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The point is that the Little Englander position is that it's always the dirty foreigners that are in the wrong. I too saw the claim that 98% of licences had been granted to the French. I also saw the French claim that it was 50%. I don't know where the truth lies between these two contradictory claims and I doubt that anyone else on here does. It's no longer about being tough negotiators, it's about abiding by the agreements that we've signed and, given that our government has openly declared that it is prepared to flout international agreements, some doubt must be cast over our claims on this issue.
 
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Stroller said:
The point is that the Little Englander position is that it's always the dirty foreigners that are in the wrong. I too saw the claim that 98% of licences had been granted to the French. I also saw the French claim that it was 50%. I don't know where the truth lies between these two contradictory claims and I doubt that anyone else on here does. It's no longer about being tough negotiators, it's about abiding by the agreements that we've signed and, given that our government has openly declared that it is prepared to flout international agreements, some doubt must be cast over our claims on this issue.
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It's 98% to the EU as a whole.
 
Uber_Hoop said:
I remember the days when the French burned our sheep, blockaded their ports, stuffed up ferry terminals with their lorries etc. Where was the Europhile outcry then?

I heard today that we'd granted fishing licences to 98% of French vessels that applied and were able to demonstrate that they qualified for such a licence. I'm not quite sure why 2% were declined. I'm also not sure whether this is entirely true or is the root cause of the French boeuf.

Frankly, I want our Brexit negotiators and UK officials to be tough. Is anybody prepared to admit that it remains a possibility - just a possibility, mind - that it might be the French that are being unreasonable in this instance?

Why is it that, just as soon as there's a problem with our European neighbours, the default position is to assume the Brits are playing unfair?

We've even got Os out of his bath chair and crying War!
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Get with the new paradigm Ubes, right or wrong, honest or dishonest, justified or not are no longer relevant. People like Johnson and Macron wouldn’t have jobs if they were.
 
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Stroller said:
The point is that the Little Englander position is that it's always the dirty foreigners that are in the wrong. I too saw the claim that 98% of licences had been granted to the French. I also saw the French claim that it was 50%. I don't know where the truth lies between these two contradictory claims and I doubt that anyone else on here does. It's no longer about being tough negotiators, it's about abiding by the agreements that we've signed and, given that our government has openly declared that it is prepared to flout international agreements, some doubt must be cast over our claims on this issue.
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Doubts both ways, Strolls, doubts both ways.

I think Boris is a ****er, but my default isn’t to assume his ilk is in the wrong.
 
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West WindsR said:
I’m sure there’s some political leverage to be gained on the French side too with whatever the equivalent demographic is there to our millions of flag-molesting weirdos. Both sides will eke out of it what they can. Is the French government quite as incompetent, uncaring and lazy as ours? It’s possible but I’d guess not.
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Is everybody over here that’s sufficiently open-minded to consider the French might have a part to play in the blame game over this a “flag waving weirdo”?
 
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