Off Topic The Politics Thread

[bobmid]

Do you think the public would support it though Bob ? I’m in a lucky position that I’m reasonably financially secure and even though I know the basic ain’t great, I don’t have to rely on overtime to make my pay up......sadly many of my colleagues do and any industrial action would effect t(em massively.
Striking is a real option for me and I’d embrace it...losing a few quid wouldn’t hurt me that much if it’s for the greater good. I just think the MSM would have a field day of we did....pretty much what they did when the Fire Brigade took action. Make us out to be lazy and undeserved of anything

Nobody could argue that mate, especially after what the NHS and front line staff have gone through. I wouldnt support it but I certainly wouldnt blame any for striking. These are the jobs that should be rewarded with a superb salary. What is more important than saving lives and making people better?!!

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I tried to pay for my lunch with “applause” yesterday.........got told to **** off

The correct technique is to wait for the shop owner to place the Chinese lunch on the counter, give him half a minute's worth of applause, grab the hot containers and leg it!

 

[rangercol]

Do you think the public would support it though Bob ? I’m in a lucky position that I’m reasonably financially secure and even though I know the basic ain’t great, I don’t have to rely on overtime to make my pay up......sadly many of my colleagues do and any industrial action would effect t(em massively.
Striking is a real option for me and I’d embrace it...losing a few quid wouldn’t hurt me that much if it’s for the greater good. I just think the MSM would have a field day of we did....pretty much what they did when the Fire Brigade took action. Make us out to be lazy and undeserved of anything

Most NHS workers have been under paid for as long as I can remember.
I don't think many would argue against a massive pay rise.
However, as for striking; that would happen against the backdrop of the country being in unparralleld debt.
Not sure we can afford anyone to have a pay rise right now.
Tough one.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

Nobody could argue that mate, especially after what the NHS and front line staff have gone through. I wouldnt support it but I certainly wouldnt blame any for striking. These are the jobs that should be rewarded with a superb salary. What is more important than saving lives and making people better?!!

Don't think there is anyone on here who wouldn't support NHS workers given the current work and sacrifices made but that wasn't your question was it? Public mood can switch over time and sometimes very quickly. Especially when the government starts spinning to the Tory press. When it begins to affect significant numbers of the population and we start reading stories about violent picket lines and callous paramedics who refuse to go out to a scene of crime or accident and lives are lot, the mood may soon change. Previous strikes in the public sector have shown that.

 

[ELLERS]

Agree its a tough one.Everyone wants them to receive a decent wage. It will probably be revised at the upcoming review.

 

[Staines R's]

Most NHS workers have been under paid for as long as I can remember.
I don't think many would argue against a massive pay rise.
However, as for striking; that would happen against the backdrop of the country being in unparralleld debt.
Not sure we can afford anyone to have a pay rise right now.
Tough one.

Except if you’re an MP Col. Just seems on the face of it that a lot of money has been wasted and given out in naff contracts during this pandemic.....money that could have been far better spent giving the staff a decent pay deal

 

[Staines R's]

Don't think there is anyone on here who wouldn't support NHS workers given the current work and sacrifices made but that wasn't your question was it? Public mood can switch over time and sometimes very quickly. Especially when the government starts spinning to the Tory press. When it begins to affect significant numbers of the population and we start reading stories about violent picket lines and callous paramedics who refuse to go out to a scene of crime or accident and lives are lot, the mood may soon change. Previous strikes in the public sector have shown that.

Totally correct. They did it to the fire fighters with their stories of callous brigade members refusing to attend incidents etc etc...so no doubt the same would be done to us.

 

[rangercol]

Except if you’re an MP Col. Just seems on the face of it that a lot of money has been wasted and given out in naff contracts during this pandemic.....money that could have been far better spent giving the staff a decent pay deal

Don't disagree with any of that mate.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

Totally correct. They did it to the fire fighters with their stories of callous brigade members refusing to attend incidents etc etc...so no doubt the same would be done to us.

I'd put money on it and it's not just Fleet Street. Even institutions like the Beeb, that bastion of left wing bias (so I'm told) and pc thinking (no argument there) can't resist a good interview with the bereaved who will be looking for a real person to blame for the loss of their loved one

 

[Staines R's]

I'd put money on it and it's not just Fleet Street. Even institutions like the Beeb, that bastion of left wing bias (so I'm told) and pc thinking (no argument there) can't resist a good interview with the bereaved who will be looking for a real person to blame for the loss of their loved one

Spot on. To be honest I’ve seen it done many times when “callous BA workers, earning fortunes” ruined people’s holidays, weddings, seeing loved ones etc etc by taking strike action.
If they only realised what these young people earth and the conditions they worked under they might think again.

 

[BobbyD]

Do you think the public would support it though Bob ? I’m in a lucky position that I’m reasonably financially secure and even though I know the basic ain’t great, I don’t have to rely on overtime to make my pay up......sadly many of my colleagues do and any industrial action would effect t(em massively.
Striking is a real option for me and I’d embrace it...losing a few quid wouldn’t hurt me that much if it’s for the greater good. I just think the MSM would have a field day of we did....pretty much what they did when the Fire Brigade took action. Make us out to be lazy and undeserved of anything

depends how the media want to angle it. There will be people for you and people who will be against you (you only need to look at how pushy people are to hospital staff and the abuse you get even in this day and age). Its all down to how the media want to paint you guys and they will find whoever fits their narrative.

Me personally, i understand why you would want to do it.

 

[BobbyD]

Most NHS workers have been under paid for as long as I can remember.
I don't think many would argue against a massive pay rise.
However, as for striking; that would happen against the backdrop of the country being in unparralleld debt.
Not sure we can afford anyone to have a pay rise right now.
Tough one.

For starters, why the hell have they further extended the stamp duty on houses to continue heating up a housing market. They could rein that totally in. can't remember what the figures were but why do we need to continue having more and more expensive housing and not get tax on these sales on it?

 

[Stroller]

For starters, why the hell have they further extended the stamp duty on houses to continue heating up a housing market. They could rein that totally in. can't remember what the figures were but why do we need to continue having more and more expensive housing and not get tax on these sales on it?

Because the whole economy is built around personal debt funded by house-price inflation.

 

[BobbyD]

Because the whole economy is built around personal debt funded by house-price inflation.

but house prices dropping won't affect people if they can afford to pay for the mortgage.

Why would you not take the tax money on the sales of housing.

 

[Stroller]

but house prices dropping won't affect people if they can afford to pay for the mortgage.

Why would you not take the tax money on the sales of housing.

I'm not saying it's a good thing.

 

[Staines R's]

but house prices dropping won't affect people if they can afford to pay for the mortgage.

Why would you not take the tax money on the sales of housing.

I think stamp duty is probably a good thing, but needs to make sure the young, first time buyers don’t pay as much, if any, as the people buying 2 million pound mansions (which it pretty much is at the moment.
I’d be game for a one off ‘corona tax’ on the uber rich......2-5% tax on wealth for multi millionaires would soon get the country back on its feet.....they can afford it.

 

[BobbyD]

I'm not saying it's a good thing.

i didnt say you did. I was just trying to understand the logic behind it

 

[BobbyD]

I think stamp duty is probably a good thing, but needs to make sure the young, first time buyers don’t pay as much, if any, as the people buying 2 million pound mansions (which it pretty much is at the moment.
I’d be game for a one off ‘corona tax’ on the uber rich......2-5% tax on wealth for multi millionaires would soon get the country back on its feet.....they can afford it.

yeah, first time buyers i have no issue with. At the moment, anyone who is going to buy a 500k+ house (or some below that) is going to save 12.5k on stamp duty which goes to the government. We have seen house prices increase 8% or whatever it was in the past 2020.

 

[Willhoops]

Boris Johnson misleads parliament...I’m shocked.

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/boris-jo...vDw5lEuy7JfoZN9KwknOtCFtqNhTTWx6zMBsaQ-_puDNo

 

[bobmid]

It does make you think about all the multi million pound contracts handed out with little to no return (apart from making someone rich), when the money could have been used towards a pay rise for the real heroes of this pandemic. It's quite disgusting really, in anyones book. Last week I worked in the house of a guy whose job was to procure PPE for the local hospital trust. It was an eye opening conversation. He is employed by the NHS yet when he did find suitable PPE he was instructed to report higher up the chain. These were then bought at an inflated price by private contractors employed by the government. He was and is absolutely sickened by it, so much so that he was handing in his resignation.