Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
I'm of the opinion that health is wealth. Do I agree with another lockdown? Well realistically, it's happening anyway, some wee town down south might escape though. I believe all we did was just hide from it last time and as soon as people were encouraged back to work/education etc then it spiralled again. Our only effective weapon has been a multi billion, world beating test and trace system run on a Microsoft excel document ffs. That's where the problem lays. An inadequate privatised system for profit over success.
 
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I'm of the opinion that health is wealth. Do I agree with another lockdown? Well realistically, it's happening anyway, some wee town down south might escape though. I believe all we did was just hide from it last time and as soon as people were encouraged back to work/education etc then it spiralled again. Our only effective weapon has been a multi billion, world beating test and trace system run on a Microsoft excel document ffs. That's where the problem lays. An inadequate privatised system for profit over success.
I was going to give you half a like for that but you talked rubbish in the second half.
 
Scientists take no account of the economy or people's jobs or mental health etc. They only give one side of the argument. Governments are moderating what the scientists recommend all the time. Ireland just did

Whitty's briefing the other day contradicts that. He said that SAGE does take into account the effect on the economy and mental health, but that a short 'circuit-break' lock-down would be advantageous nonetheless. Sunak, the de facto PM, has ignored this advice.
 
Dead and poorly people very rarely pay tax or spend their money mate.
This is where your argument doesn't make sense because it's not the dead and poorly that will suffer if Starmer has his lockdown? It will be the economy and the normal people and if they suffer then the poor will as well.
You're having a bit of a mare mate trying to supporting Starmer
 
Whitty's briefing the other day contradicts that. He said that SAGE does take into account the effect on the economy and mental health, but that a short 'circuit-break' lock-down would be advantageous nonetheless. Sunak, the de facto PM, has ignored this advice.
mmm not according to an expert speaking at the moment.
 
So I presume Ellers , that the test and trace didnt cost billions, isnt run by a private company who also sub contract to other private companies and the 16000 people **** up wasnt due to excel limitations.???
 
Whitty's briefing the other day contradicts that. He said that SAGE does take into account the effect on the economy and mental health, but that a short 'circuit-break' lock-down would be advantageous nonetheless. Sunak, the de facto PM, has ignored this advice.

Sage is made up of scientists, health professionals and academics. I don't think there's an economist among them, so I don't have a great deal of faith in Whitty's assurances.
 
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This is where your argument doesn't make sense because it's not the dead and poorly that will suffer if Starmer has his lockdown? It will be the economy and the normal people and if they suffer then the poor will as well.
You're having a bit of a mare mate trying to supporting Starmer
They are suffering already mate, losing jobs, mass unemployment, hospitilastions, death, mental health. Infection rates at record levels. Recession. It worked last time whether you agree with it or not. Could even try get the test and trace system working before it ended....theres a wacky idea hey
 
So I presume Ellers , that the test and trace didnt cost billions, isnt run by a private company who also sub contract to other private companies and the 16000 people **** up wasnt due to excel limitations.???
You see you cannot stick to what the argument is about. Same old bob you try and divert what we are actually discussing.
Let's start again so you can understand.... We are discussing todays comments of Kier Starmer.
 
You see you cannot stick to what the argument is about. Same old bob you try and divert what we are actually discussing.
Let's start again so you can understand.... We are discussing todays comments of Kier Starmer.
You said the second part of my post was rubbish Ellers, not me. Highlight what isnt true about it or just dont say it in the first place.