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The official figures aren't accurate anyway, according to a statistician on the radio recently.
Even if 40,000 covid deaths is the latest/final figure, anyone dying who has the virus in their system is being counted as a covid death.
This means that the actual number of people dying from the virus is likely to be much lower.

Any day now, Westminster and the top scientific bods will be contacting not606, asking for the help of all our experts!


Don’t know why you keep beating this drum. Actually I do.
 
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The official figures aren't accurate anyway, according to a statistician on the radio recently.
Even if 40,000 covid deaths is the latest/final figure, anyone dying who has the virus in their system is being counted as a covid death.
This means that the actual number of people dying from the virus is likely to be much lower.

Any day now, Westminster and the top scientific bods will be contacting not606, asking for the help of all our experts!
We do have a lot of experts. :1980_boogie_down:
 
No, it’s not incorrect. It’s a logical estimate based on the total deaths versus previous years and the share of deaths outside of hospital in other countries. That is backing it up.

Certainly closer to the unknown full figure than hiding behind the numbers posted daily by the government.
Did you get the 40K from the Marr show as he said the same as you ( well he was clever and used the word 'could')?
Interesting to hear Dominic Raab who was competent in his interview today as well. He didn't fall for any of the trick questions and answered them with confidence. Completely different from his briefings.
 
Did you get the 40K from the Marr show as he said the same as you ( well he was clever and used the word 'could')?
Interesting to hear Dominic Raab who was competent in his interview today as well. He didn't fall for any of the trick questions and answered them with confidence. Completely different from his briefings.

I didn’t watch Marr today. It’s a commonly quoted number, probably because it’s the most accurate one we have. I’ll have to take your word for it on Raab’s competence.
 
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I didn’t watch Marr today. It’s a commonly quoted number, probably because it’s the most accurate one we have. I’ll have to take your word for it on Raab’s competence.
No, I have been honest in the past re briefings. He was good today and was on the front foot. I get the impression that Boris return will come with a positive announcement.
 
Just when you think Sir Keir is putting things right in opposition, one of his shadow ministers claims the Tories are actively trying to murder citizens. Un-****ing-believable.

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Were these quotes before kier became leader as we are only just hearing about them now or were they before? I hope he does go as he shouldn't say things like that without evidence.
 
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Just when you think Sir Keir is putting things right in opposition, one of his shadow ministers claims the Tories are actively trying to murder citizens. Un-****ing-believable.

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I listened to one of the shadow cabinet ministers who basically stated the bloody obvious. No ideas. All Labour are doing is waiting for things to go wrong and say how they wouldn't have done that. A bit like some on here. Sadly they couldn't even win an election because the public didn't trust them. Starmer was having a pretty good week until the news Boris is back and now this.
 
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Were these quotes before kier became leader as we are only just hearing about them now or were they before? I hope he does go as he shouldn't say things like that without evidence.[/QUOTE]



It must be recent, or fellow Labour MP's wouldn't be turning against him. He should be kicked out of the shadow cabinet, because it demeans his colleagues who are making a better job of things
 
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I listened to one of the shadow cabinet ministers who basically stated the bloody obvious. No ideas. All Labour are doing is waiting for things to go wrong and say how they wouldn't have done that. A bit like some on here. Sadly they couldn't even win an election because the public didn't trust them. Starmer was having a pretty good week until the news Boris is back and now this.

You have to wonder whether Starmer can't kick the bloke from the shadow cabinet because he's a far left Corbynite, and Starmer is worried about an internal Labour backlash from the militant left
 
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You have to wonder whether Starmer can't kick the bloke from the shadow cabinet because he's a far left Corbynite, and Starmer is worried about an internal Labour backlash from the militant left
sadly (and if I may use this example) Sometimes I think Labour hasn't changed that much. With the leader, it's like Hitler appointing Goebbels. All part of the previous bunch.
 
Late to the party here, but I don't get the fuss over the Cummings thing. PM's most senior adviser attends a meeting of other people also advising the PM. Is that really what we have an issue with? What am I missing?

Strikes me as if there could just as easily be a story going round about how "no Minister or senior Number 10" staffer attended the SAGE meeting to hear advice firsthand, and the same people wound up about Cummings would be railing about that.

I think the fuss stems from the fact that the government wanted the names of members of the group to remain secret. A previous Chief Medical Officer has stated that there would never have been government advisors at SAGE meetings in his time, and the current CMO seems to have been uncomfortable about Cummings's presence. It should be job of the CMO to report back to the PM on SAGE meetings, not an advisor with no scientific qualifications.

More importantly, it calls into question the government's claim to have been led by the scientific advice at all times. Johnson made a speech in early February where he spoke about the danger that the reaction to Coronavirus would "go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage". (I happened to agree with this, but that's by the by). It was around this time that Whitty was talking about herd immunity while the rest of the world was shutting down. It took our government seven more weeks to decide that the rest of the world was right after all.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/17/...d-go-its-own-way-seven-weeks-before-lockdown/

Does this not suggest that the government, via Cummings, was leading the science back in February, rather than the other way round?
 
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You have to wonder whether Starmer can't kick the bloke from the shadow cabinet because he's a far left Corbynite, and Starmer is worried about an internal Labour backlash from the militant left

The fact Starmer was elected first time with over 50% should mean he can make his own decisions, where he might be thwarted is on decisions via the NEC which is still mainly Corbynite...
 
Were these quotes before kier became leader as we are only just hearing about them now or were they before? I hope he does go as he shouldn't say things like that without evidence.




They were made during the general election. Surprised we've only heard about them now to be honest. Sack him and move on to the important things of the day.
 
sadly (and if I may use this example) Sometimes I think Labour hasn't changed that much. With the leader, it's like Hitler appointing Goebbels. All part of the previous bunch.

Amazed you lot even bother talking about it when he’s **** enough to be nowhere near the intellectual equal of someone like Raab.
 
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