Yes, agreed. Pieces may be moved around and the chessboard look just the same at the end.
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Yes, agreed. Pieces may be moved around and the chessboard look just the same at the end.
Simple. Lock them into the House of Commons over the weekend but forcibly remove both May and Corbyn. Refuse to give them any food or water and only allow them to go to the loo under escort. I guarantee you they will reach a consensus and sign up to it by Saturday evening.
Last night's QT really plumbed the depths. The Tory and Labour reps, in the Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet respectively, both thought it was a huge joke and neither seemed able to appreciate the seriousness of their failure. The audience did not even clap anything they said for the first 20 minutes or so. Their contempt for the people of this country was matched only by the fully deserved contempt of the audience for the pair of them.
The reply of an unnamed Cabinet minister when asked why May is holding another vote when she is pretty sure she will lose........
'**** knows. I'm past caring. It's like the living dead in here.'
'**** knows. I'm past caring. It's like the living dead in here.'
He was........
In a left wing, patronising, I know better kind of way (quite like him though).
Absolutely true. The economics journalist and the Next CEO talked some sense too.
I see your man, Raab has covered himself in glory as a man of principle.
And since this morning's wimpy soundbite too. Whatever happened to DON'T PANIC BOYS, STAND FIRM?
. Do you want to change your mind as well? Over the identity of the next leader, I mean. The DUP must feel that they are being sold down the river.
The indicative votes on Monday will give a majority to Ken Clarke's Customs Union proposal. She will then be obliged to bring her deal back once more with a CU attached, and this will be passed. (I reckon)
It's called CHUK Goldhawk...wonder why Chuka Umunna would want to join a party called that[emoji6]
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"The choice now is between the risk of being held in the backstop by the EU for a period, without being able to control our exit, and on the other hand a significant risk of losing Brexit altogether. Neither are palatable. Both could have been avoided if the Government had shown the requisite resolve and will."
Dominic Raab when announcing his decision to be "the one backing down" after telling us all that the Government should have shown balls and given the EU an ultimatum. Apart from his obvious lack of them (assuming he was right first time) the statement above is an interesting shift towards the truth about the backstop. It was never more than a temporary breathing space which at worst would have lasted for a defined period of time, no more than a year or two and which could and would have been ended by agreement or the expiry of any period agreed. The purpose was two fold - smooth transition and an incentive to both sides, but especially the UK, to stop procrastinating and simply get on with striking the trade deal
This reveals to me at least that to add to the many cock ups by the government, winding up the DUP into believing that the backstop was something more ie, something evil has proved to be possibly the most disastrous cock up of all. It is all too clear why they have suddenly panicked en masse. They realise that even MPs as thick as the bunch we have at the moment can pull together over the next few days to work out what the best from of soft Brexit is. Operation Fear by Brexiteers is yet more cobblers. MPs will vote for Brexit but "not as you wanted it Jim".
And to think that for the last two and a half years they have insulted our intelligence and led their supporters to think that all that was needed was a bit of bulldog British (English?) stubbornness and it would all be fine. Hopefully that will have done wonders for all their leadership aspirations. Gove looks more of a shoe in every day. Hopefully the witch of Downing Street will now resign instead of trying to bulldoze her deal though again for a 4th time.
Of course I could be wrong and the House of Commons could yet cock everything up and hand it back to the Brexiteers on a plate but it does look unlikely now.
Dominic Raab when announcing his decision to be "the one backing down" after telling us all that the Government should have shown balls and given the EU an ultimatum. Apart from his obvious lack of them (assuming he was right first time) the statement above is an interesting shift towards the truth about the backstop. It was never more than a temporary breathing space which at worst would have lasted for a defined period of time, no more than a year or two and which could and would have been ended by agreement or the expiry of any period agreed. The purpose was two fold - smooth transition and an incentive to both sides, but especially the UK, to stop procrastinating and simply get on with striking the trade deal
This reveals to me at least that to add to the many cock ups by the government, winding up the DUP into believing that the backstop was something more ie, something evil has proved to be possibly the most disastrous cock up of all. It is all too clear why they have suddenly panicked en masse. They realise that even MPs as thick as the bunch we have at the moment can pull together over the next few days to work out what the best from of soft Brexit is. Operation Fear by Brexiteers is yet more cobblers. MPs will vote for Brexit but "not as you wanted it Jim".
And to think that for the last two and a half years they have insulted our intelligence and led their supporters to think that all that was needed was a bit of bulldog British (English?) stubbornness and it would all be fine. Hopefully that will have done wonders for all their leadership aspirations. Gove looks more of a shoe in every day. Hopefully the witch of Downing Street will now resign instead of trying to bulldoze her deal though again for a 4th time.
Of course I could be wrong and the House of Commons could yet cock everything up and hand it back to the Brexiteers on a plate but it does look unlikely now.
I'm not sure CHUK is a whole lot better as a name for a political party! - but yes, I imagine it will be built in creator Umunna's own image. Whether they'll be able to keep it is another matter - I gather Change-org is already seeking legal advice on the hijacking of the name.
The ERG have left it until the last minute in the hope something more might be offered by the EU, but once Parliament had taken No-Deal off the table, that was always unlikely.
I'd be content with Gove, and have Raab as his Brexit minister. Frankly, we'd have done a great deal better in the negotiations with the EU if we'd hidden Theresa May and Ollie Robbins in a wardrobe at the start, and sent Arlene Foster in their place
Thus removing a main reason for voting leave, ie being able to forge free trade deals with the rest of the world.
The ruling elite are reaching their end game .
You say the backstop would have lasted for a defined period of time. Where would I find that definition clause, and how long was the period defined? Where is there any mention of the "expiry" of the backstop in the WA to which you refer?
It's interesting how you always look at things from the EU perspective. You don't think the backstop could have been used by the EU as leverage to get a more advantageous trade deal out of the UK, because the UK could not strike its own trade deals with other countries until it had EU consent?
I'm beginning to think if there was a GE now, a lot of the ruling elite would not be ruling any more