Here's hoping not.
There is no majority for this deal; no majority for no deal. There is a majority for a 2nd vote among MPs - at least in their viewpoints. If they have the collective cajones to follow through on that, we will see in coming days.
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Here's hoping not.
There is no majority for this deal; no majority for no deal. There is a majority for a 2nd vote among MPs - at least in their viewpoints. If they have the collective cajones to follow through on that, we will see in coming days.
So bob you were the one who claimed that you didn't vote because you didn't understand it.... Please don't tar us with the same brush. I knew exactly what I was voting for as did everyone else.
It was clear not only through the media but with the government leaflets that went through all the doors.
Don't confuse peoples voting rights to May's cock up.
Sadly the more you post the more you sound like a remainer trying to pretend you are not.
Raab and Davis were completely undermined by the snivelling, left wing, pro remain, EU loving civil servants who have steered May to this position.
I don't expect you to acknowledge this because you agree with them.
Raab basically quit because the remoaner Olly Robbins was doing the dealings. It's embarrassing watching May now. I feel sorry for her. She looks broken and weak.
Bob, with all due respect mate, please stop with this condescending crap.
I know exactly what I voted for and would have been happy with a few compromises as 48% voted to remain.
However, this deal is a complete sell out of the referendum result.
Utter ****s the lot of them.
Agree it's very patronising. especially when he has said he didn't understand it?
Yes, it was definitely those awful civil servants. It has nothing whatsoever to do with reality smashing through the fictional Brexiteer fantasy. Not one Brexiteer has yet put forward an alternative and workable plan. Why? Because there isn't one that doesn't trample all over the Good Friday Agreement.
I didn't vote Ellers as I didn't understand it. You did vote.....did you vote for this though??? Of course I would remain now if I had the chance, I don't deny that. It would be foolish not to. You voted leave, apparently this is leaving so either you didn't understand what leaving entailed or you didn't know what you were voting for.....or the Tories have well and truly ****ed you over ! Have a wee ponder over it fella
In that case they are weak bosses, accountability lay with them. How either of them could allow negotiations to get to the point that they were apparently unaware of what had been discussed and agreed is incredible. You are right though that there seems to have been a disconnect between these politicians and the civil servants doing the work. No surprise with Davis, who apparently was stunningly lazy and only turned up for lunch, but I had the impression that Raab was more engaged. Civil servants are there to advise and then implement government policy, whatever is decided. So I definitely don’t agree with them undermining elected ministers, it’s unconstitutional, even though I am a Remainer. Whether they actually undermined ministers I don’t know, I suspect they were working in a leaderless vacuum.
Get over it lads. Leave means leave , will of the people bollocks. You've been had!! It meant nothing! I'm not trying to wind you up I'm trying to understand how anyone who thinks they knew any of this prior to the referendum can state they knew what they were voting for.
With all due respect aswell mate, that's a load of ****e. This is a Tory mess, they were the ones who called the referendum, implemented it, negotiated it and here we are now.
Apparently McVey got hysterical and shouty in Cabinet, demanding that ministers vote on the deal, which never happens in a Cabinet which operates on the basis of collective responsibility. The Cabinet Secretary (doubtless a snivelling left wing Remainer as a civil servant) had to read to her from the Cabinet Manual, which she should have been familiar with. Why she and Raab didn’t resign on the spot is beyond me, it would have made a more effective and instant statement for them.
On the upside perhaps we will get a more humane and intelligent minister to administer the **** up which is Universal Credit.
Is it now clear to everyone that May’s Red Lines were incoherent and self contradictory? You cannot leave the Customs Union and single market without having a customs border in Ireland or between NI and the rest of the UK. This whole fiasco of a non deal is based on the fallacy that we could have our cake and eat it.
On the upside perhaps we will get a more humane and intelligent minister to administer the **** up which is Universal Credit.
Is it now clear to everyone that May’s Red Lines were incoherent and self contradictory? You cannot leave the Customs Union and single market without having a customs border in Ireland or between NI and the rest of the UK. This whole fiasco of a non deal is based on the fallacy that we could have our cake and eat it.
It's not ****e Bob, it's well known that Ollie Robbins has driven us to this point.
You are winding us up Bob so I again, respectfully ask you to stop mate.
I knew what I voted for, the ****s haven't delivered it.
Christ the patronising remain gloating is deafening!!!
A football forum supporting the mighty hoops is a molecule in the importance of this decision
I seriously cannot understand anyone being fine with a no deal plus have no idea of how to unite the divide post Brexit
Name calling does nothing and I would like to apologise to the forum for my part in that
Far from winding you up mate. I don't come on here to do that unlike others. I genuinely tried to look at this from all sides before I realised remaining was the sensible option. My point is, and I say it again, this was never on the paper. Did you think leaving meant this? Did a remain voter think remaining meant this? If the answer is No, then nobody truly knew what they were voting for! Not meant in a condescending or patronising way, just a logical thought process.
I don't know why they are gloating as we all expected this to be turned down. They won't get another vote however I can see an extension or WTO.