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zzzzzzzz Dt your rhetoric about France being the best place in the World is boring. I really like France. I have a holiday home there and I like going away to the back and beyond for a rest. However, it has it's own problems. Do I need to mention some of the worst terror attacks or that 70% of the workforce works for the state. I notice you haven't discussed the 'protectionism'. I'm not surprised as you probably know that the Brits can't work there! Just about every family I spoke to while away said they or their friends couldn't get jobs. Like you, I can also look at things objectively but I am honest whereas you just go against the UK at every opportunity.
I can agree however that the last 20 years have not been that great. Blair was a lying toad who took us into an illegal war. He sold us out on many occasions and still (like a bad smell) he returns to try and interfere. Cameron was probably the best PM in his time but was also had problems. I can also agree that the 52/48 split will be divisive but like remainer Jeffrey Archer said. We voted now let's get on with it. We don't need all the project fear crap, we don't need another referendum or more until some get the answer they want. We actually just need to accept a democratic vote and implement it. If that means no wine for a month then so be it.
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at least if the uk stayed in the could still use their veto
Jean-Claude Juncker calls on EU to become global power
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Jean-Claude Juncker was speaking as the EU remains divided over migration policy.
Jean-Claude Juncker has demanded that European Union governments sacrifice their vetoes on EU foreign policy decisions in a flagship speech that called for more national powers to be centralised in Brussels.
The president of the European Commission called on Wednesday “for a stronger, more united Europe” that could flex its muscles as a “global player”.
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Jean-Claude Juncker was speaking as the EU remains divided over migration policy.
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Jean-Claude Juncker has demanded that European Union governments sacrifice their vetoes on EU foreign policy decisions in a flagship speech that called for more national powers to be centralised in Brussels.
The president of the European Commission called on Wednesday “for a stronger, more united Europe” that could flex its muscles as a “global player”.
Muslims can claim benefits for several wives, say Ministers
HUSBANDS who bring more than one wife to Britain can claim extra benefits for them at taxpayers’ expense.
By Gabriel Milland Political Correspondent
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Mon, Feb 4, 2008
GRAYLING: 'Government trying to keep December ruling quiet'
Ministers have ruled that men in polygamous marriages can receive state handouts for each wife, including additional income support, even though bigamy is illegal in the UK.
A review of benefit rules for such marriages concluded in December that allowing husbands to claim for their additional wives remained the “best possible” option.
The decision will chiefly benefit Muslim men, as Islamic law allows them to have up to four wives.
Multi-marriages are recognised by the Government – provided the weddings took place in countries where the practice is legal. But critics last night attacked the decision as “completely unacceptable” and warned it could lead to demands for other changes in British laws.
Corin Taylor, of the Taxpayers’ Alliance, said: “British taxpayers are paying a record amount of tax so the Government has a duty to make sure that every penny is spent properly.
“Polygamy is not something which British law allows and British taxpayers should not have to pay for extra benefits for second or third wives.”
Tory spokesman Chris Grayling said: “You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.
“This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system.”
Mr Grayling accused the Government of trying to keep the December ruling quiet because the topic was so controversial.
While a married man cannot obtain a spouse visa to bring a second wife into Britain, some multiple partners may be able to enter the country via other legal routes such as tourist visas, student visas or work permits.
There are an estimated 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK, meaning there could be up to 5,000 people involved.
The husband would be entitled to £90.80 a week income support for himself and his first wife and £33.65 for each additional wife.
The families would also be entitled to child benefits for every child and could argue for greater housing benefit and council tax credits because of the need for larger properties.
A spokeswoman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: “There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.
“We recently reviewed the rules regarding benefit payments to customers in a polygamous marriage, which concluded that the rules in place since 1987 provide the necessary safeguards to ensure there is no financial advantage for claimants in a valid polygamous marriage.”
does this rule still exist
did it actually exist in the first place
how many polygamous marriages in the UK 10 years later and whats the cost to taxpayers now
HUSBANDS who bring more than one wife to Britain can claim extra benefits for them at taxpayers’ expense.
By Gabriel Milland Political Correspondent
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Mon, Feb 4, 2008
GRAYLING: 'Government trying to keep December ruling quiet'
Ministers have ruled that men in polygamous marriages can receive state handouts for each wife, including additional income support, even though bigamy is illegal in the UK.
A review of benefit rules for such marriages concluded in December that allowing husbands to claim for their additional wives remained the “best possible” option.
The decision will chiefly benefit Muslim men, as Islamic law allows them to have up to four wives.
Multi-marriages are recognised by the Government – provided the weddings took place in countries where the practice is legal. But critics last night attacked the decision as “completely unacceptable” and warned it could lead to demands for other changes in British laws.
Corin Taylor, of the Taxpayers’ Alliance, said: “British taxpayers are paying a record amount of tax so the Government has a duty to make sure that every penny is spent properly.
“Polygamy is not something which British law allows and British taxpayers should not have to pay for extra benefits for second or third wives.”
Tory spokesman Chris Grayling said: “You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.
“This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system.”
Mr Grayling accused the Government of trying to keep the December ruling quiet because the topic was so controversial.
While a married man cannot obtain a spouse visa to bring a second wife into Britain, some multiple partners may be able to enter the country via other legal routes such as tourist visas, student visas or work permits.
There are an estimated 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK, meaning there could be up to 5,000 people involved.
The husband would be entitled to £90.80 a week income support for himself and his first wife and £33.65 for each additional wife.
The families would also be entitled to child benefits for every child and could argue for greater housing benefit and council tax credits because of the need for larger properties.
A spokeswoman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: “There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.
“We recently reviewed the rules regarding benefit payments to customers in a polygamous marriage, which concluded that the rules in place since 1987 provide the necessary safeguards to ensure there is no financial advantage for claimants in a valid polygamous marriage.”
does this rule still exist
did it actually exist in the first place
how many polygamous marriages in the UK 10 years later and whats the cost to taxpayers now
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The headlines don't tell the whole story - as usual.
If you're a Muslim on benefits, your first wife is treated as the spouse. Any other women living in the house who might be considered to be your wife in (say) Afghanistan would be treated as a single person in the UK. That's no different to a Mormon or a man living with two women - but only married to one of them. If they were not British or from an EU country, then they would not get a "spouse visa" to be resident in the country with their husband, as the UK does't recognise any wife other than the first one.
Wouldn't a a single woman eligible for benefits with a child living in their own house get more benefits from the state than one living in the same house as her husband-in-a-Muslim-country? Even in 2008 the officials were saying (above) there's no benefits advantage to being a "second wife" in the same house.
I'm not comfortable wishing ill on people but sometimes you https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-ne...e-just-13259237.amp?__twitter_impression=true what you sow-
I'm no fan of Hopkins, but this just seems to be a very snobby load of bile.
Boniface is so bitter, she'd curdle milk.
Hopkins was hugely rash with the stuff she came out with.
Both women are bloody arrogant.
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The oldest person in Britain celebrated her 112th birthday yesterday with a glass of whisky, which she has been drinking every night for 62 years and credits with her relative good health and long life. Last month Grace Jones, who was born in Liverpool almost eight years before the start of the First World War, took the title from Olive Boar, from Felixstowe, Suffolk, who died at the age of 113. Coincidentally the title was held by another Grace Jones, who was born in 1899 and died in 2013. Mrs Jones, who now lives in Broadway, Worcestershire, goes shopping once a week. “My doctor said, ‘Keep up with the whisky, Grace, it’s good
didnt someone on here say drinking every day was bad for you
Brexit: Theresa May says it's Chequers or no deal
Image caption Theresa May phones EU commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker
Theresa May has told the BBC that MPs will have a choice between her proposed deal with the EU - or no deal at all.
She was also critical of a plan by Brexiteers to resolve the Irish border issue, saying it would create a "hard border 20km inside Ireland".
Ex-foreign secretary Boris Johnson said attempts to resolve the issue so far were a "constitutional abomination".
Meanwhile the International Monetary Fund has said the UK economy will shrink without a Brexit deal.
In its annual assessment of the UK economy, the IMF said that all likely Brexit scenarios would "entail costs", but a disorderly departure could lead to "a significantly worse outcome".
Chancellor Philip Hammond said the government had to listen to the IMF's "clear warnings".
Mrs May set out her proposals for the key issue of cross-border trade after a Chequers summit in July, but it has been fiercely criticised by some Brexiteers who say plans for a "common rulebook" on goods would compromise the UK's sovereignty
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Image caption Theresa May phones EU commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker
Theresa May has told the BBC that MPs will have a choice between her proposed deal with the EU - or no deal at all.
She was also critical of a plan by Brexiteers to resolve the Irish border issue, saying it would create a "hard border 20km inside Ireland".
Ex-foreign secretary Boris Johnson said attempts to resolve the issue so far were a "constitutional abomination".
Meanwhile the International Monetary Fund has said the UK economy will shrink without a Brexit deal.
In its annual assessment of the UK economy, the IMF said that all likely Brexit scenarios would "entail costs", but a disorderly departure could lead to "a significantly worse outcome".
Chancellor Philip Hammond said the government had to listen to the IMF's "clear warnings".
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Mrs May set out her proposals for the key issue of cross-border trade after a Chequers summit in July, but it has been fiercely criticised by some Brexiteers who say plans for a "common rulebook" on goods would compromise the UK's sovereignty
That is a worry.
I don't want to start getting into X-files territory but she is acting like she wants to mess the whole thing up and maybe cause another referendum.
cue X-files theme....
She's gambling on Parliament approving a deal based on Chequers (or whatever it winds up to be) rather than leave us with no deal at all. I'm not sure it will - and if it doesn't, chaos ensues.
What an absolute cluster **** of monumental proportions this has been. Tories doing their usual bitching and backstabbing won't get behind the chequers deal and labour set to go against it too. So we now face No Deal as Theresa wont give us a say, surely no one wanted this? Who in their right mind wants this, it's lunacy isn't it? Sheer bloody minded lunacy. Why anyone thinks this act of self mutilation and sabotage is patriotic and in our interests beggars belief. There better be some contrite ****ers on this page when it all genuinely turns to ****.
I heard a bloke on Sky News last night who said the labour party would abstain on a vote and just let the Tories get on with it and if it's a disaster they will be in the clear.
Although that is wrong because people will know they will put politics before the country.
Stop talking a load of old 2222. It doesn't matter what anyone says on this forum or elsewhere as it's in the hands of the politicians.
You are sounding like a drama queen Frome. A deal will happen whatever, stop panicking.
Seems quite a reasonable approach to me. If they leave it to the Tories, it will fail - because of the Tories.
Whatever the state of the Labour party, this is a Tory mess and I wouldn't blame them for leaving them to royally **** it up and a **** up it is. My uncle (through the mrs) is moving his business in to Germany soon. 28 jobs gone from here. Not massive I know but it will make his distribution so much easier as it's all across mainland Europe.
Not really because more tories will accept her Chequers deal. There are only about 40-50 Tories that will vote it down.