Off Topic The Politics Thread

[ELLERS]

What specialist products? We don’t make anything any more.

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No, wait a minute.....
And if you want to know what products, do your own research It might tell you something about some of our great workforce.
hang on, you need another

 

[colognehornet]

? No one is saying trade with the EU will stop in the event of no deal. They are saying that there will be delays and challenges in a lot of different areas unless concrete investment is made in people and infrastructure. Both here and in the EU. Hopefully temporary, a few months.

Presumably the Japanese car deal involves the British taxpayer compensating Japanese car makers for tariffs being charged on cars exported from here to Europe.

you can listen to it yourself, he said it in a Labour Party meeting, its all over the web. Probably Zionists rather than Jews. His meaning was clear, hence the reaction, from people like John McDonnell who have previously been quiet on this issue. Not sure what is happening now, but no action was planned against him, whereas Margaret Hodge is facing disciplinary action for speaking her mind.

Why the **** do you want to defend these ****ers? You seem like a well meaning, thoughtful person who genuinely wants everybody’s lives to be better and for injustices to be tackled. As a grizzled old cynic I might take the piss sometimes, but I respect your intent. I am a former Labour Party member (as a youth, when I was naive) and I suggest you take a good look at these people. Being a **** is not the sole preserve of the right wing, plenty on the hard left too. Their objective is not justice, it’s to win power by firstly crushing opposition within the Labour Party (which is why they spend zero time attacking the Tories) and then imposing their view of the world on the rest of us. Thankfully, they are largely incompetent and thick.

Sorry, rant over. I just think it’s not obligatory to express opposition to the Tories by supporting this nasty little shambles.

I thoroughly agree with you Stan - I am a well meaning thoughtfull person Having said that, criticizing Israel and the issue of anti semitism is something like walking on a tightrope. I am not really hell bent on defending some of these creeps, they can do that better themselves, but I am aware that the media, and sections of the PLP are out to discredit Corbyn's leadership at all costs. So many complaints from the Jewish community (or sections of it) at this time smacks of conspiracy of some sort. Having said that, I am well aware that racism can occur at all ends of the political spectrum - the darlings of the extreme left (Marx and Engels) were the worst of all for this.

 

[DT’s Socks]

The Scottish actor?

Have I got his name wrong the bloke who explained the blood moon eclipse I saw the other night ... bloke is a genius or knows a lot about science

 

[ELLERS]

I asked a guy at work today why he voted leave in the referendum. His reply 'cos the EU tell us how many Muslims to let in!'
Unbelievable. I had to stifle my laughter but carried on. Any more reasons I enquired? ' yeah they tell us to do stuff'
Bless him

I asked a guy at work why he voted remain and he said because if I vote to leave people will say I am a thick racist. Unbelievable...I had to hold in my laughter but said what else? Yeah because we won't get any food and medicines and there will be a recession 3 million will lose their jobs the day after...Ah bless.

 

[DT’s Socks]

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No, wait a minute.....
And if you want to know what products, do your own research It might tell you something out so of our great workforce.
hang on, you need another

What wrong with that cartoon bloke in your post has he got a bad eye

 

[DT’s Socks]

I asked a bloke at work why he voted to leave and he touched me on the front bottom

 

[ELLERS]

I asked a bloke at work why he voted to leave and he touched me on the front bottom

 

[Stroller]

And don’t forget the over 60’s.....****ers

True, a lot of the idiot racists and xenophobes are/were over 60. My Leave-voting mates are happy to admit that, whilst they themselves are not racist of course, a significant element of Leave voters were swayed by the racism of the Farage propaganda and the Project Fear stories of our being invaded by 70 million Turks. Anyone on here prepared to admit that?

 

[Staines R's]

True, a lot of the idiot racists and xenophobes are/were over 60. My Leave-voting mates are happy to admit that, whilst they themselves are not racist of course, a significant element of Leave voters were swayed by the racism of the Farage propaganda and the Project Fear stories of our being invaded by 70 million Turks. Anyone on here prepared to admit that?

Great generalisation Stroller.....what’s next ?
Most Muslims are terrorists ?
Most blacks are drug dealers ?
Most Chelsea supporters are ****s ?

(Ok, I’ll give you the third one)

 

[ELLERS]

True, a lot of the idiot racists and xenophobes are/were over 60. My Leave-voting mates are happy to admit that, whilst they themselves are not racist of course, a significant element of Leave voters were swayed by the racism of the Farage propaganda and the Project Fear stories of our being invaded by 70 million Turks. Anyone on here prepared to admit that?

I'm prepared to say that a significant element of Remain voters were swayed by the Project Fear of Osbourne and the propaganda of the media.
...Anyone on here prepared to admit that?

 

[Stroller]

No, he said the Jews are Trump supporters who have no evidence for anti semitism in the Labour Party. Thereby giving them evidence. The man has a very limited intellect and is one of Corbyn’s advisors and a top voice in Momentum. His preferred method of communication is shouting. He was taped saying this ****.

Whilst I'm loath to defend this bloke (who seems to be a bit of a dick), what I heard him say was 'let the 67 (or whatever number it was) Rabbis produce evidence of Labour anti-Semitism'. Which seems fair to me. The Trump-supporters thing was a bit bizarre, admittedly, but surely it was a description of those making the accusations, rather than all Jews. How is that in itself anti-Semitic? The thing is, Corbyn and a lot of his supporters are anti-Zionist, but that does not make them anti-Semites. I guess there are people among them that allow one to spill over into the other, but I would suggest that they are a small minority. There are also, however, many people - eager to damage Corbyn - who are far too quick to portray legitimate criticism of the Israeli state as racism. It isn't.

 

[Stroller]

Great generalisation Stroller.....what’s next ?
Most Muslims are terrorists ?
Most blacks are drug dealers ?
Most Chelsea supporters are ****s ?

(Ok, I’ll give you the third one)

I don't think saying 'a significant element' is generalisation, is it?

 

[Staines R's]

I don't think saying 'a significant element' is generalisation, is it?

I personally think it is......I think others would too

 

[Stroller]

I personally think it is......I think others would too

Stan is normally the arbiter on generalisation.

 

[bobmid]

I asked a guy at work why he voted remain and he said because if I vote to leave people will say I am a thick racist. Unbelievable...I had to hold in my laughter but said what else? Yeah because we won't get any food and medicines and there will be a recession 3 million will lose their jobs the day after...Ah bless.

Some good points raised there Ellers. You should listen to the guy at work

 

[bobmid]

I'm prepared to say that a significant element of Remain voters were swayed by the Project Fear of Osbourne and the propaganda of the media.
...Anyone on here prepared to admit that?

I personally think most remainers voted to remain as they didn't really see what is/was so bad about being a member of the EU. They had their eyes truly opened now though with all those rules and laws we have had to follow all these years.

 

[Stroller]

I'm prepared to say that a significant element of Remain voters were swayed by the Project Fear of Osbourne and the propaganda of the media.
...Anyone on here prepared to admit that?

Of course I would, but it seems suggesting that any Leave voters were racist is an outrage. Is it?

 

[Staines R's]

Of course I would, but it seems suggesting that any Leave voters were racist is an outrage. Is it?

I’m far from outraged, Stroller.....just pointing out your generalisation (as I see it).
I save my outrage for other, more important things that effect me personally

 

[West London Willy]

........
No, wait a minute.....
And if you want to know what products, do your own research It might tell you something about some of our great workforce.
hang on, you need another

Screw you. You said we made stuff. It’s not up to me to do your research. It’s up to you to prove yourself wrong.

 

[ELLERS]

Some good points raised there Ellers. You should listen to the guy at work

Why be a sheep and follow something I don't believe in?

I personally think most remainers voted to remain as they didn't really see what is/was so bad about being a member of the EU. They had their eyes truly opened now though with all those rules and laws we have had to follow all these years.

People never really worried about the EU, they just got on with it. Now I am not saying that the EU is all bad. What I am saying is that they will never adapt or change. The whole EU set up is like a mafia. Organised to help out countries like Germany and now France and leave others behind (Italy). The EU has failed on so many fronts and keeps failing. For me, I want to be in control of our laws and our destiny. If people don't understand that then I don't know what to say. The whole thing has been divisive however it has shown the EU in a true light.