20 Euros! I paid 70 for 2 of us last night (awful meal) 34 each the day before. In fact, the cheapest I have seen so far has been 24 Euros but I didn't like the look of the place. I guess we probably have different palet's.
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Average download speeds UK 16.7mbps
Average download speeds France 31.5mbps
Diesel per litre France v UK is equal on average (though if France is like UK it varies wildly within 5 miles)
Unleaded is about 10 cents € more expensive
Consumer prices in general are about 10% more expensive in France than UK. For two reasons - the £ has declined by far more than that v the € in the last two years, and inflation has happily not caught up, but it means your £ doesn’t go as far when you travel. That’s why things seem more expensive to you, to the French prices have stayed the same. Secondly French supermarkets don’t squeeze their suppliers quite as brutally as UK ones to make sure you get the cheapest possible food.
Though in Spain a couple of weeks ago a supermarket shop seemed a lot cheaper than the UK and the fresh produce was definitely much higher quality (Carrefour v Waitrose). You couldn’t get as much convenience bung in the oven/microwave processed food though. Which I view as a positive.
Your dining experience in France will be more varied than in UK as there are less chain restaurants. Personally I now find classic French food a bit too rich for regular eating, much prefer Italian which is of more consistent quality in non tourist areas as well.
So it seems you have a **** broadband supplier or live in a dodgy area, your price issues are down to exchange rates (And possibly where you are shopping) and dining out is pot luck.
Average download speeds France 31.5mbps
Diesel per litre France v UK is equal on average (though if France is like UK it varies wildly within 5 miles)
Unleaded is about 10 cents € more expensive
Consumer prices in general are about 10% more expensive in France than UK. For two reasons - the £ has declined by far more than that v the € in the last two years, and inflation has happily not caught up, but it means your £ doesn’t go as far when you travel. That’s why things seem more expensive to you, to the French prices have stayed the same. Secondly French supermarkets don’t squeeze their suppliers quite as brutally as UK ones to make sure you get the cheapest possible food.
Though in Spain a couple of weeks ago a supermarket shop seemed a lot cheaper than the UK and the fresh produce was definitely much higher quality (Carrefour v Waitrose). You couldn’t get as much convenience bung in the oven/microwave processed food though. Which I view as a positive.
Your dining experience in France will be more varied than in UK as there are less chain restaurants. Personally I now find classic French food a bit too rich for regular eating, much prefer Italian which is of more consistent quality in non tourist areas as well.
So it seems you have a **** broadband supplier or live in a dodgy area, your price issues are down to exchange rates (And possibly where you are shopping) and dining out is pot luck.
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Bloody hell they are really scaring the @@@@ out of people with all this armageddon crap! Even the unbiased Sky 
has a new survey on Brexit after all the fear.
This is what you call democracy
Have a vote to leave the EU and the majority voted to leave.
Spend two years putting the fear into the people while a remain PM does nothing.
offer another referendum before they have implemented the first.
This time give 3 options which divides the leave camp.
keep voting until you get the result 'remainers' wanted.
Stay in the EU and be a slave to Brussels but this time get treated worse than before.
Achieve nothing
End of democracy in our Country.
has a new survey on Brexit after all the fear.This is what you call democracy
Have a vote to leave the EU and the majority voted to leave.
Spend two years putting the fear into the people while a remain PM does nothing.
offer another referendum before they have implemented the first.
This time give 3 options which divides the leave camp.
keep voting until you get the result 'remainers' wanted.
Stay in the EU and be a slave to Brussels but this time get treated worse than before.
Achieve nothing
End of democracy in our Country.
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Entirely consistent with my post.
And as most people’s biggest single outgoing cost is rent, and U.K. mortgages costs are twice those in France......
I will be off to Italy in a week so I will compare with UK and France. Hopefully Swiss/Germany after. Will be interesting to compare on ground level.
Bloody hell they are really scaring the @@@@ out of people with all this armageddon crap! Even the unbiased Sky
This is what you call democracy
Have a vote to leave the EU and the majority voted to leave.
Spend two years putting the fear into the people while a remain PM does nothing.
offer another referendum before they have implemented the first.
This time give 3 options which divides the leave camp.
keep voting until you get the result 'remainers' wanted.
Stay in the EU and be a slave to Brussels but this time get treated worse than before.
Achieve nothing
End of democracy in our Country.
Do you really think this tosh?
No. Your reason for this anecdotal research is to validate your existing opinion. Your methods won't be rigorous enough and your analysis of what you identify will be flawed. Then, those who agree with your views already will use it as further "evidence" that they are are right and those who do not agree with you will use it as "evidence" that you are wrong.
So it won't change anything.
Sort of interesting but it goes 2 ways. I have already said roads 'are good', so does that mean they are not?
it's a bit of fun while I am visiting the EU.
unlike the pro remain media I will be honest with my findings.
Right I am off to the supermarket to by some beef.
May and her Remainer Civil Service are the pantomime, Strolls. WTO is the way forward, with proper preparation and no Project Fear 2. May could be toast by October. Boris could be in as a figurehead PM, and will need plenty of support.
Meanwhile, Corbyn has his work cut out. Labour MP's are openly calling him a racist. With his extreme views and terrorist sympathies, he really has attracted some unpleasant trolling types into that party. He doesn't control all they say, but he holds up the banner around which they gather.
Food Shopping imo requires a lot of searching to match the UKs low prices
I cannot find better petroleum than Tesco’s
Shame I am back in the U.K. Wed
If you get to the Languedoc then you are in for a surprise.... beware hottest place in Europe regardless of air temps I haven’t had a night under 25 for the last three weeks
There are pockets of micro climates in this region than live up to the name Languedoc
Land of rock and fire
Hoping the nationists rebuild our country after Brexit however with the divide and current farce of politics it will be a tall order
Still we are the customers and so trade will continue no doubt
Currently can’t think of many things I would buy from the U.K. before I looked at German and French products first
Diawa fishing equipment from Scotland and maybe some music
Devon Fudge maybe and British meat ... it sort of stops after that for me
See how it turns out
Still we are the customers and so trade will continue no doubt
Currently can’t think of many things I would buy from the U.K. before I looked at German and French products first
Diawa fishing equipment from Scotland and maybe some music
Devon Fudge maybe and British meat ... it sort of stops after that for me
See how it turns out
What bizarre times we are living - politics is a ‘hall of mirrors’. Interesting that this non-football thread holds the most serious content of our forum. While not particularly a discussion I wish to get embroiled in, it is interesting to read the comments, views and rhetoric it imbibes.
Both. We demand that everything is cheap, there are too many supermarkets too close to each other (I have Tesco, Sainsbury, ASDA and Morrison’s superstores and an M&S food hall within a five minute maximum drive from my house with Waitrose ten minutes) competition forces them to go cheap and to maintain margins they squeeze suppliers. Same probably happens in other countries, but there seem to be much fewer of the big supermarkets elsewhere.
On that subject, does anyone remember the tv series Turn Back Time: The High Street on BBC a few years back? It followed the changing face of the High Street through a different decade each week.
Even though the people on the show knew how mass-retail and supermarket shopping had decimated small businesses and been a major part of the drive towards ever lower pricing, and even tough they were against such moves, they still couldn't fight against it.
What the solution is I don't know, but with the exponential growth of online shopping, I can only see it gaining ever more pace. Amazon has a lot to answer for, but only because they have probably been the most successful and innovative of the online supermarkets.
I'm not sure that anyone would honestly want a global collective marketing board setting minimum pricing for everything, but if you want an industry-led enforcement of pricing, that's really the only thing I can think of.
There is something we can do though, I reckon.
In much the same way that we look at stuff marked as FairTrade as being kinder to the supply chain, we can start demanding a far greater fairness level across the board, by opting to buy products that are known as fair to the supply chain. Yes it'll cost a bit more, but it'll send a message the only way the suppliers and supermarkets understand - people are more important than profit, communities are more important than cost-cutting.
Even though the people on the show knew how mass-retail and supermarket shopping had decimated small businesses and been a major part of the drive towards ever lower pricing, and even tough they were against such moves, they still couldn't fight against it.
What the solution is I don't know, but with the exponential growth of online shopping, I can only see it gaining ever more pace. Amazon has a lot to answer for, but only because they have probably been the most successful and innovative of the online supermarkets.
I'm not sure that anyone would honestly want a global collective marketing board setting minimum pricing for everything, but if you want an industry-led enforcement of pricing, that's really the only thing I can think of.
There is something we can do though, I reckon.
In much the same way that we look at stuff marked as FairTrade as being kinder to the supply chain, we can start demanding a far greater fairness level across the board, by opting to buy products that are known as fair to the supply chain. Yes it'll cost a bit more, but it'll send a message the only way the suppliers and supermarkets understand - people are more important than profit, communities are more important than cost-cutting.