I cannot understand why people think that the EU is the answer to everything. Just look at the countries that have struggled under the Euro. Italy/Spain/Ireland/Portugal/Greece and so on. It is an elitist club that is governed by Germany. They and France are the only winners. Seriously people need to wise up.
We survived before the EU and we will after. Yes, there will be problems ahead but the EU will have problems also. Mass immigration, lack of jobs for skilled workers and graduates. Look at election results in Austria/Holland/France/Germany and the rise of the far right and extremism. They keep going on about the 27 but many of those countries just bring the thing down.
Take Greece the prime example of what the EU stands for. It's a disaster of a country financially. Sadly I had some great holidays there and wish it all the best. The EU is run by undemocratic muppets in Brussels and I don't want to be part of a failing club.
The only reason they are making it hard for us to leave is because they know it will fall apart when we have gone. No more Uk money bailing out all those 27.
Not here to preach and people can vote for what they like. I just don't like 'remoaners' telling us that we are all thick racists with our head in the sand because a result never went their way.
Ellers, you make salient points which were the basis for me wanting the UK to leave the EU. I was not allowed to vote as I am totally disenfranchised from ALL countries (ironic heh, when we are trying to democratise everyone else!) so it was purely as a voyeur.
I was convinced that the UK would be sufficiently proffesional to come out relatively well and that this pull out would serve as the necessary jolt to precipitate much needed EU reform.
The concept of the EU is valid and morally well founded, however, much like everything else in life, the implementation of the concept is left to humans who have their obvious own agendas and prior entrenched positions.
My own dissapointment in all this is that it appears, at this stage anyway, that the incompetence and under preparation from the UK has further emboldened those within the EU that a strong majority of Europe wanted reigned in.
The obvious move towards the right is a direct cry against this whole pedantic, procrastinating, judgemental, over inflated ego population of EU politicians and lawyers who from their pulpits, believe everything they say to be Gospel - believe me, they are now further entrenched when they see the stink being created by the UK "negotiating teams".
The UK is still so divided on this that it is unlikely that this position is going to change. May and her cohorts have made sooooo many rookie negotiation mistakes it beggars belief. What needs to change is the creation of a strong, communicative team led by a neutral. This neutral needs to be able to have sufficient back up to counter the current "slice and dice" negotiation tactic employed by the EU team. This will be difficult but can be quickly achieved by bringing in the very best from the respective Industries.
Time is still with the UK to do this as long as it can get the right people - currently this looks a forlorn hope and I genuinely believe that a Lose/Lose result is in the offing.
The borders that some want put up can never be taken away - once their down, their effectively down, the trading patterns that are in place will never be taken away, just not possible. The changes will be limited to negative but I can assure you of one thing - the very same people of Europe that share the greatest burdens today, will still be carrying them in 5/10 years, once this has been analysed.
It is really just such a shame but should only have been expected when we saw the calibre of politicians from all sides.
) but I accepted it and got on with it. Agree, Now I am vocal towards Blair for what he did to our troops but at the time I didn't flood the internet saying it was the end of the World or got nasty because people voted Labour.
That's why the financial centre will be in London because it is geared up for it, it is trusted. It's the best. That is why before Brexit everyone was based in London. All this talk of Frankfurt and Paris will disappear with the rest of the fear campaign. You best take another look at your 'algorithms' and speed up the slow motion. 
