Off Topic The Politics Thread
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Why the need to bring colour into it?
How do you know what reasons people had for voting?
This country has been euro sceptic for as long as I can remember.
No it wasn't. I voted against first time around as a protest vote against the Government of the day who I was very unhappy with and in favour the second time around because I felt millions of more other Europeans needed us to vote in favour. People vote different ways for different reasons and sometimes, second votes are required. At the end of the day, whats important is that we all respect the will of the people no matter what the issue is and no matter how many times they have voted on an issue.
You mean your fact about Israel and it's mutual enemies of over 50 years being comparable to the latest Trump executive orders.
Yes, good points indeed. Keep up the fine investigative work.
Unfortunately it happened at the wrong time Tooting. As you say, being outside of Schengen, it made no difference to Britain - but it may have tipped the balance. I think that Merkel did the only thing which was possible in the circumstances, and for humanitarian reasons. It was done to defuse a dangerous bottleneck which had developed in Hungary. Having said that, Germany took in around a million - but this was well within the facilities and infrastructure put aside for them. Very few Germans have been in any way inconvenienced by them.
But mate, you say that the will of the people should always be respected and then agree that it wasn't respected after the first vote.
If it were to be respected there shouldn't have been a second vote.
I agree you must respect a result otherwise, it's not democratic. I never voted for Blair and yet I respected the result. I didn't like him but I never acted like a whining b2itch and demonstrate with everything he did.
The problem though Col was that, us as a little small island of 5m people held up the whole Continent. Is it right that 5m people can hold up the will of 500m? It would be like waiting for Plaid Cymru to agree to something in the UK before it could be implemented in Westminster. 5m should not deny 500m what they want. We would have had to have 10 votes until we voted in favour.
I agree. It is of course a political decision to weigh up the risks of alienating entire nations because of a small number of extremists. Irrespective of the dubious morality of what he has done, time will tell whether his risk calculation was correct in that America gets away without a wave of retatiatory terrorist strikes from its vast legion of homegrown Muslim fanatics, While not wishing it in any way, it will be ironic if it turns out that the law he prizes above all others, the right for American citizens to bear arms is the one piece of legislation which does serious damage to his political reputation among his supporters.
Glad to see by the way that you seem to have come round to the view that Trump's actions can be classed racist after all if only under the colloquial term of that word
in a recent poll, 55% of women now said they were more afraid to walk the streets then before Merkel let all the ''refugees'' in. I think you could say for them they are ''inconvenienced''
Bearing in mind that refugees make up about 1% of the population that might be something of an overreaction. I agree with one thing though, most of the refugees are men, have no money, and nothing to do - we need to get their families over. In our small town (Engelskirchen) we have 400 - nearly all men. That can represent a problem - but it is less than was expected. If they were 400 bored young men from Russia then we would have a much bigger problem on our hands (or if they were all Scousers).
Ask the waloonians what they think about small amounts of people holding up deals made on behalf of a continent
They'll say the EU superstate has overuled their wishes
Joking apart, it's only a matter of time before Flanders and Wallonia are separate countries (and England and Scotland too for that matter)
I'm no apologist for Trump, and this policy of temporary exclusion looks unsophisticated at the least. I am however very much in favour of him visiting the UK because America is an ally, and the best way to influence its president is as a friend, not an adversary as the EU seems to be doing (and God save us from the cerebrally-challenged Lily Allen, Charlotte Church and their luvvie ilk).
Your highlight of homegrown to describe the US Muslim fanatics is apt. Of course, it applied in the UK too. The terrorists that killed 56 (including the 4 perpetrators) were not Muslim immigrants but sons of Muslim immigrants. It seems to be a feature of Islam that the children can be more extreme than their parents. Isn't that food for thought when constructing an immigration policy? There's nothing racist about choosing say, Hindu, Sikh, or Buddist immigrants over Muslim, if the latter has a latent threat.
I hope Trump comes and talks with political leaders here, much better to talk to your enemies than aim bombs and bullets at them. I also hope and expect his every move in the UK is followed by the massive demonstrations against him as now in his own country, and hopefully everywhere else he visits while he continues his fascist, racist executive orders.