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[KooPeeArr]

I am just saying Obama has done worse than Trump. Yet because many people just dislike Trump, most because media coverage and leftist views, they think he is Satan. Yet as soon as I mention Obama you go quiet? Why is that?
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Done worse? You mean than Trump has in two weeks in charge?

Do you believe that Obama is as aggressively inflamatory? Do you believe his as bigoted?

I don't for what it's worth but I'd yogurt knit my way into a different view if there was reason to do so.

You seem to have a "Don't pick on Slobodan Milosovic because he's not as bad as Stalin" defence and it does seem apparent that you like Trump but can't admit that you do.

 

[durbar2003]

I think Koln should worry more about whats happening in his country than his concern with whats happening in the UK>

 

[durbar2003]

Done worse? You mean than Trump has in two weeks in charge?

Do you believe that Obama is as aggressively inflamatory? Do you believe his as bigoted?

I don't for what it's worth but I'd yogurt knit my way into a different view if there was reason to do so.

You seem to have a "Don't pick on Slobodan Milosovic because he's not as bad as Stalin" defence and it does seem apparent that you like Trump but can't admit that you do.

Obama is nothing like Stalin

 

[colognehornet]

I think Koln should worry more about whats happening in his country than his concern with whats happening in the UK>

I am affected by what happens in the UK. together with around one and a half million other British people living in the EU. Very much affected but denied a vote. The human story behind Brexit is that nearly 5 million legal citizens (in both directions) will have their legal status changed by something which was not their fault. Also, my name (on here) is Cologne not Köln.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

No it's not, but is discrimination or hatred on grounds of religion different in some way? Or discrimination on grounds of nationality even though it affects religious minorities such as Christians who are citizens of those countries

Probably not, they all fall under the colloquial term of racism, as does discrimination on the grounds of colour. Of course, sometimes racism is justified. We were racist when we fought the Third Reich, and the US against Japan. Trump says there's risk now which justifies the temporary bans. There may not be a record of terrorists coming into the US from these countries, but the issue is the risk in the future.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

The 2% of laws which Britain voted against is actually a smaller number than for any other EU. state. Implying that Britain got its own way more than any other country.
Earlier I referred to Britain as having its democratic image tarnished by the Brexit campaign, which drew some responses on here. I should say that this was not because of the result, but rather the manner of the Brexit debate - the lack of real facts, on what should have been the biggest debate in recent history, not to mention the first political murder in modern British history. This was all followed closely by the media in other countries, included the quality (or lack of it) displayed on some Ukip posters. It was also remarked that political leaders normally give the populace a choice between preserving the status quo, on the one hand, and initiating a change which the government wants on the other. As it happened Cameron opened the way for a protest vote which engineered a situation where the government was forced to do something which it didn't want to do, and where there was nobody on the other side with any real plan - this all very definitely tarnished Britain's image abroad.

Modern British History surely includes the Northern Ireland troubles. Ian Gow.

 

[rangercol]

The 2% of laws which Britain voted against is actually a smaller number than for any other EU. state. Implying that Britain got its own way more than any other country.
Earlier I referred to Britain as having its democratic image tarnished by the Brexit campaign, which drew some responses on here. I should say that this was not because of the result, but rather the manner of the Brexit debate - the lack of real facts, on what should have been the biggest debate in recent history, not to mention the first political murder in modern British history. This was all followed closely by the media in other countries, included the quality (or lack of it) displayed on some Ukip posters. It was also remarked that political leaders normally give the populace a choice between preserving the status quo, on the one hand, and initiating a change which the government wants on the other. As it happened Cameron opened the way for a protest vote which engineered a situation where the government was forced to do something which it didn't want to do, and where there was nobody on the other side with any real plan - this all very definitely tarnished Britain's image abroad.

Oh well.
Look down your nose at us as much as you like.
Contempt for the British from Europeans is nothing new.
I'm sure we'll get over it.

 

[ELLERS]

Done worse? You mean than Trump has in two weeks in charge?

Do you believe that Obama is as aggressively inflamatory? Do you believe his as bigoted?

I don't for what it's worth but I'd yogurt knit my way into a different view if there was reason to do so.

You seem to have a "Don't pick on Slobodan Milosovic because he's not as bad as Stalin" defence and it does seem apparent that you like Trump but can't admit that you do.

We do have some muppets......

 

[colognehornet]

Oh well.
Look down your nose at us as much as you like.
Contempt for the British from Europeans is nothing new.
I'm sure we'll get over it.

Actually Col. you would be surprised to know how much the Germans like the English. I am not looking down my nose at anyone, just saying that Britain's reputation abroad was tarnished by the manner of the Brexit debate. It came as a surprise to many people for whom Britain has a long democratic history.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

The 2% of laws which Britain voted against is actually a smaller number than for any other EU. state. Implying that Britain got its own way more than any other country.
Earlier I referred to Britain as having its democratic image tarnished by the Brexit campaign, which drew some responses on here. I should say that this was not because of the result, but rather the manner of the Brexit debate - the lack of real facts, on what should have been the biggest debate in recent history, not to mention the first political murder in modern British history. This was all followed closely by the media in other countries, included the quality (or lack of it) displayed on some Ukip posters. It was also remarked that political leaders normally give the populace a choice between preserving the status quo, on the one hand, and initiating a change which the government wants on the other. As it happened Cameron opened the way for a protest vote which engineered a situation where the government was forced to do something which it didn't want to do, and where there was nobody on the other side with any real plan - this all very definitely tarnished Britain's image abroad.

Where a government gives the voting populace a choice, even though it supports the status quo, it's called democracy.

Where a government gives the voting populace a choice, but won't recognise the result and instead colludes with foreign powers to make the electorate vote again until it has the answer it wants as Ireland did, it's called standard EU business

 

[rangercol]

Actually Col. you would be surprised to know how much the Germans like the English. I am not looking down my nose at anyone, just saying that Britain's reputation abroad was tarnished by the manner of the Brexit debate. It came as a surprise to many people for whom Britain has a long democratic history.

What did they make of all the ridiculous exagerations that were spouted by the remain campaign?
Both sides were guilty of lying and exaggerating whilst running very poor campaigns imo.

 

[ELLERS]

Obama is nothing like Stalin

He is according to him.

 

[finglasqpr]

Where a government gives the voting populace a choice, even though it supports the status quo, it's called democracy.

Where a government gives the voting populace a choice, but won't recognise the result and instead colludes with foreign powers to make the electorate vote again until it has the answer it wants as Ireland did, it's called standard EU business

WRONG - That is also called democracy. Nobody made us vote the way we did the second time around. Just like Brexit, it was the choice of the people.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

WRONG - That is also called democracy. Nobody made us vote the way we did the second time around. Just like Brexit, it was the choice of the people.

Many people who vote against govt wishes simply give up when they are forced to vote again. They can't beat the system and they know it

 

[KooPeeArr]

We do have some muppets......

You haven't exactly perfected the art of debate Ellers. You say you read between the lines on stuff but it always seems like you read to the right of it instead (very much in alignment with the extreme rights subtle slogans and indoctination on social media).

You also never did explain why my earlier post was rubbish.

Or just throw a few dismissive shrugs and mild name calling if that's easier for you.

 

[ELLERS]

WRONG - That is also called democracy. Nobody made us vote the way we did the second time around. Just like Brexit, it was the choice of the people.

Finglas you will know all about the second referendum and I will bow to your knowledge on this. I will however say that they mentioned the Irish referendum last night and the commentator laughed and said something like "they kept having a referendum until they got the result". That's not from me just something said yesterday.

 

[ELLERS]

You haven't exactly perfected the art of debate Ellers. You say you read between the lines on stuff but it always seems like you read to the right of it instead (very much in alignment with the extreme rights subtle slogans and indoctination on social media).

You also never did explain why my earlier post was rubbish.

Or just throw a few dismissive shrugs and mild name calling if that's easier for you.

Go and bore someone else I made some good points, points that are facts not something dreamed up at some lefty demonstration. I said I have no love for Trump but I feel others have done worse than him. I gave actual facts but you cannot accept it so I won't waste my time with you. At least Stroller puts up a few pie-charts, you offer nothing.

 

[finglasqpr]

Finglas you will know all about the second referendum and I will bow to your knowledge on this. I will however say that they mentioned the Irish referendum last night and the commentator laughed and said something like "they kept having a referendum until they got the result". That's not from me just something said yesterday.

Yes, we had a second vote but nobody put a gun to our head and told us how to vote. Some people need to respect the will of the people.

 

[TootingExcess]

Actually Col. you would be surprised to know how much the Germans like the English. I am not looking down my nose at anyone, just saying that Britain's reputation abroad was tarnished by the manner of the Brexit debate. It came as a surprise to many people for whom Britain has a long democratic history.

The vote was lost the moment when Merkel said any Syrian refugees were welcome. Or rather when Cameron decided to have the vote before we'd done a deal with the Turks to stem it.

She did it for decent reasons, but it played into the Open borders debate across the EU. The thought of 1.5 million non European, non Christian migrants turning up every other year terrified people, who could probably accept a few hundred thousand white eastern EU migrants through gritted teeth. The sovereignty issue maybe matters to ukip supporters especially but most voters would have voted on that issue - people didn't care that the UK wasn't in schenegen, and in theory could refuse these migrants

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Finglas you will know all about the second referendum and I will bow to your knowledge on this. I will however say that they mentioned the Irish referendum last night and the commentator laughed and said something like "they kept having a referendum until they got the result". That's not from me just something said yesterday.

Perhaps each referendum should ask an additional question such as:

In the event that you don't like the outcome, should there be a second referendum?

Or

Should we go best of 3, 5, 7, 131....?