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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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    Make your home greener to get a mortgage
    Ministers plan to link home loans to better insulation

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    Home buyers face having to improve the energy efficiency of their new properties under the terms of their mortgage as part of government plans to decarbonise Britain’s housing stock.

    Mortgage lenders will have to disclose the energy efficiency of homes they lend money for and set themselves targets to improve the insulation of buildings in their portfolio.

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    However, it will lead to fears that new buyers could find it hard to get a mortgage unless they commit to spending potentially thousands of pounds on home improvements.

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    Nice, but before this becomes a trend, people need to be sure they don't fall foul of false imprisonment laws
     
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    A teenage neo-Nazi who plotted to shoot an Asian friend who he likened to a "cockroach" has been locked up for more than 11 years.

    Matthew Cronjager, 18, tried to get hold of a 3D printed gun or a sawn-off shotgun to kill his target, because he "slept with white chicks".

    Following a trial at the Old Bailey, Cronjager was found guilty of preparing for acts of terrorism and disseminating terrorist publications on Telegram, an online messaging platform.

    The court heard that the teenager had set himself up as the "boss" of a right-wing terror cell and created an online library to share right-wing propaganda and explosives-making manuals.

    An undercover police officer, who had infiltrated a Telegram group called The British Hand, managed to scupper Cronjager's plans.

    On the first day of his trial, Cronjager - originally from Ingatestone in Essex - admitted four charges of possessing terror documents.

    On Tuesday, the defendant was sentenced to a total of 11 years and four months in youth detention.

    Judge Mark Lucraft QC told him: "In giving evidence in the trial it was obvious that you are a bright and intelligent young man.

    "In a way that makes the content of some of the messages you sent all the more troubling.

    "In my view you are someone who played a leading role in terrorist activity where the preparations were not far advanced."

    The judge noted character references he had received from Cronjager's parents and others who had known him for many years.

    However, he added: "Some of the letters state that you pose no threat and where there is no victim.

    "I should simply say that those are matters that are at odds with the evidence in the messaging in this case and with the victim impact statement."

    Cronjager's victim had said in his statement that he felt "sad, hurt and betrayed".

    He told police he thought Cronjager was joking, but later said "it broke his heart" to hear what he had been planning.

    "The strange thing was it wasn't just the fact that Matt was plotting to kill me that hurt initially, it was the fact that we had been having serious conversations about our future, and we had been exchanging Christmas greetings, meanwhile in the background he was planning to make that my last Christmas, that really hurt."

    The court heard the victim was left "simmering with anger" towards Cronjager and "on the brink of self harm".

    Lawyer Tim Forte said Cronjager "bitterly regrets" the harm he caused and offered an apology.

    In mitigation, Mr Forte argued that "young" and "immature" Cronjager could yet be integrated into society.

    The court had previously heard how the defendant wanted a "revolution" based on his fascist beliefs, including hatred of non-white people, Jews, Muslims and those with a different sexual orientation to his.

    He had offered to lead the UK division of an extreme right-wing group calling itself Exiled 393, telling members that his time as an army cadet had given him the necessary skills.

    Cronjager even suggested setting up a collective PayPal account to buy weapons and other items for the group.

    In one message, he wrote: "I was thinking more of having it to buy things like big tents or a 3D printer maybe for creating bits of 'art'," said to be code for guns.

    In further messages to the undercover officer in December, he and Cronjager discussed arranging a drop-off location for 3D printed guns, the court heard, and of the supplier needing more money to pay for materials.

    On the same day, Cronjager formulated his plot to kill his former friend after he boasted to him of sleeping with three white women.

    The defendant told the undercover officer: "I've found someone I want to execute.

    "I know it's an overall target and he's a sand n***** that f***** a white girl.

    "In fact I think three of them.

    "I figure we could just 'find' a double barrel shotgun and saw it down for things like this."

    Cronjager then added: "They're like cockroaches", the court heard.

    When asked if his former friend had raped the girls, he allegedly replied: "Nope, but it's a violation of nature.

    "We're not supposed to mix race ... it's not rape by legal definition but it's kind of like rape if that makes sense.

    "Violation at least."

    Cronjager attempted to explain his behaviour by claiming to police he was a member of anti-fascist organisation Antifa.

    But during his trial he accepted he had held extreme far-right views, saying he now felt "ashamed and disgusted" by them.

    The jury was told that the defendant was on the autism disorder spectrum, with a mild level of severity, and had a high IQ.

    Cronjager was sentenced to a total of 11 years and four months in youth detention.

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    deserves it too
     
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    Poland passes law that anyone who had come from a safe country is immediately sent back.

    Also they will be banned from entering the country for a period of between six months and three years.

    The Poles are also building a wall.
     
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    The wall is to stop them leaving
     
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    UK agrees free trade deal with New Zealand
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    The UK has agreed a free trade deal with New Zealand which it says will benefit consumers and businesses.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the deal will cut costs for exporters and open up New Zealand's job market to UK professionals.

    The government hopes it is a step towards joining a trade club with the likes of Canada and Japan.

    The New Zealand deal itself is unlikely to boost UK growth, according to the government's own estimates.

    Overall, only a tiny proportion of UK trade is done with New Zealand, less than 0.2%.

    Labour and the National Farmers Union (NFU) said the deal could hurt UK farmers and lower food standards.

    But International Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan said it "affords opportunities in both directions for great sharing of produce" and British farmers should not be worried.

    Mr Johnson and New Zealand's Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, agreed the pact in a video call on Wednesday after 16 months of negotiations.

    Tariffs will be removed on UK goods including clothing, ships and bulldozers, and on New Zealand goods including wine, honey and kiwi fruits.


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    Professionals such as lawyers and architects will be able to work in New Zealand more easily, the government said.

    Step to bigger trade deal?
    However, the deal is not likely to increase UK economic growth - or GDP - according to the UK government's own assessments. New Zealand will fare slightly better as it may be able to sell more lamb to the UK.

    But, like the trade deal recently struck with Australia, the UK hopes this is a step towards joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) - a trade bloc that includes Australasia, Canada, Mexico and Japan among others.


    The UK already has deals with many of the members, rolled over from when it was in the EU. But CPTPP membership would give it more access in terms of services and digital trade.

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    In a video of the deal being struck, Mr Johnson said: "We've scrummed down, we've packed tight, and together we've got the ball over the line and we have a deal. And I think it's a great deal."

    Ms Ardern said: "I loved your use of rugby metaphors, but if we were going to continue that on, then naturally it would conclude with the All Blacks winning.

    "And I know that New Zealand feels that way with this free trade agreement, but actually, it's good for both of us, as it happens."

    'Nothing for farmers'
    The NFU said the deal, like the one with Australia, could have a "huge downside", especially for UK dairy and meat farmers.

    Its president, Minette Batters, said the Australia and New Zealand deals mean "we will be opening our doors to significant extra volumes of imported food - whether or not produced to our own high standards - while securing almost nothing in return for UK farmers".


    "The fact is that UK farm businesses face significantly higher costs of production than farmers in New Zealand and Australia, and it's worth remembering that margins are already tight here due to ongoing labour shortages and rising costs on farm," she said.

    "The government is now asking British farmers to go toe-to-toe with some of the most export-orientated farmers in the world, without the serious, long-term and properly funded investment in UK agriculture that can enable us to do so.

    Emily Thornberry, shadow trade secretary, said the government's own figures showed the deal would "cut employment in our farming communities, produce zero additional growth, and generate just £112m in additional exports for UK firms compared to pre-pandemic levels".

    She added that the only winners were "the mega-corporations who run New Zealand's meat and dairy farms".

    "As our economy recovers from the pandemic, we need trade deals that will boost jobs and growth, open up big new markets for UK exporters, and support our objectives to buy, make and sell more in Britain. This trade deal with New Zealand fails on every count," she said.

    The international trade secretary said British farmers should not be concerned about increased lamb imports because the lambing seasons were different in the UK and New Zealand.

    Anne-Marie Trevelyan said: "I'm very comfortable it's a complimentary - because of the seasons… consumers will have more choice."

    She said trade with New Zealand was currently worth £2.3bn a year but had the potential to increase by up to 30% by 2030.

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    Analysis: Ramzan Karmali, BBC Business reporter

    A bottle of New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc could cost 20p less as a result of this trade deal and other products like Manuka honey and kiwi fruits could also cost less.

    In terms of overall trade, even by the UK government's own analysis a tariff free trade deal will make no difference at all to the country's GDP - the total value of the goods and services the UK produces.

    Overall the trade between the two countries is less than 0.2% of the UK total and in fact in 2018 New Zealand ranked as only our 53rd biggest trading partner.

    So why does this deal matter?

    The UK signed its first big post-Brexit deal with Japan last year and in June it also signed a draft agreement for a trade deal with Australia.

    Both countries, as well as New Zealand, are members of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership or CPTPP.

    The combined GDP for the 11 nations that form the CPTPP in 2020 was £8.4trn - one of the key reasons given by the UK government when it formally applied earlier this year.

    This deal is the first agreed during the tenure of Britain's new Secretary of State for International Trade, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, who took over from Liz Truss last month.

    She believes that by getting this deal done the UK's application to the CPTPP will be looked upon more favourably.

    That being said, the trade deal the UK really wants is with the US.

    But with the recent change in administration in the White House that seems further away.
     
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    “Could” doing some heavy lifting here.
     
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    I am getting really annoyed about the reports of spiking of drinks in nightclubs. The majority, but not all of these spikings are against women. The head of association of night clubs has been quoted as saying, women should be better educated at protecting themselves.
    WTF...WTF!!!

    We should protect ourselves more !!!

    Perhaps some men should be educated that injecting people with a dangerous drug or slipping something into their drinks is wrong, why does the victim need to be educated.

    Many years ago, my oldest was sent home in a taxi by a night club bouncer, who had recognised the fact that she was beyond the pale. I had/have seen her drunk ( in my family it involves a lot of vomiting)..she was not drunk, she had no rememberance of the night or how she got home.
    I am forever grateful to that bouncer. I am not sure she ever went to a club again.
     
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    Its disgusting really. They should be locking up anyone spiking drinks for a long time if caught on camera. To be honest anyone who does that (since its a pre meditated act and will ruin someone mentally. Its not even violence that you might expect from someone mentally unstable but people who are actually predators) i would more be happy to put in front of a firing squad but that isnt an option.
     
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    So Steve Allen of LBC calls a tubby girl tubby. And now the cancel culturists want him sacked. It's fair comment because it's true. How can anyone have a valid complaint?
     
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    I've had the misfortune to listen to him at customer's request very occasionally and am amazed that he's been over 20 years on the radio with the monologue drivel he comes out with. To 'do' him for calling someone tubby compared to some of the acerbic crap he comes out with is richly ironic...
     
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    Oh come on Goldy, did he need to call her tubby? He could have just used her name quite easily. Now of course he shouldnt be sacked for it but there was no need to call her it.
     
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