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The offside law - debate

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by green_day, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. green_day

    green_day New Member

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    I wanted to get the views of football fans on this law, i don't understand it, its too confusing for my liking, there's too many phases to it as well, for example i'll use Newcastle's 2nd goal from last week, Simpson takes a shot/cross, Evans puts it into his own net, the linesman flags for offside but the referee overrules him and gives them the goal, i've seen it a lot of times since then, people keep saying if Evans doesn't touch the ball and leaves it to Cisse, the linesman flags for offside but who's to say he wouldn't of done that, we'll never know, also there was an incident in the championship involving Peterborough and Barnsley where Harewood takes a shot its going to be a goal for the away side but the one of their players has a touch to it and the referee gives them a goal, to me, i've seen it again, and to me the Barnsley player looks offside to me in my opinion.
     
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  2. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Sympathy post.
     
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  3. Optimistic & English

    Optimistic & English Member

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    it does really call into question the whole idea of the offside when a player becomes active idea, this is in principle a good idea so if a player is clearly not interfering with play e.g. over by the corner flag when a pass in the box is played by two or more players not involved in any other way with the one in the corner area. however the law is not very clear as to what should be classified as interfering with play, you can argue like the pundits did on MOTD that Cisse was not active because he wasn't holding Evans and he did not touch the ball, i can see the point here. However you could also interpret the rules as being that Cisse was active as Evans may well have left the ball if he had not been there, or likewise may have controlled the ball then kicked it away, or perhaps the goalkeeper would have called for the ball, etc

    I cant say either interpretation is 100% right by the rule book, however id hope that Fifa, Uefa or the FA or even the Refs association, would look at providing guidance or more clarification to this rule as to what is interfering with play a few incidents have shown up some grey areas, and the lawmakers need to smooth out these grey areas before they become a major thorny issue aka if such a goal took place in a game of greater importance, e.g. CL final, WC final whatever
     
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  4. green_day

    green_day New Member

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    Bring the old law back, it was easy and simple, everyone understood it as well.
     
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  5. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    It was, if incompetent idiots continue to make stupid decisions then that could be the only solution.

    However, in the case of the Evans/Cisse one, anyone who has played the game or spent their time watching the game or indeed has the first clue about the game will know that if a striker is in the middle of the penalty area during an attack and the midfielder passes towards him and he, as centre forward, is the clear and obvious target then he is very obviously active.

    Otherwise, what is he doing there? Just having a stroll? Listening to some tunes? Of course he is bloody active.
    The defender has to defend against that and make decision based on him being there.

    Unfortunately referees are referees because they were **** at football and so don't understand it.
     
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  6. Manobear

    Manobear I love cheeseburgers

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    This. The best way to fix the problem is to pay referees more, enough where it's their full time job and the devote more time and effort into becoming better referees with a stronger grasp on the rules. This wi cut out a lot of the poor decision that a ref makes due to a weak understanding of the laws of the game.
     
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  7. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    This. And it might help if the assistants were paid a salary, rather than pay them £600 a game for an average of 20-25 games a season with around four voluntary training sessions a year. In other words force them to be part time. Hardly puts them in a strong position to support the ref even when they get it right!
     
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  8. Caesar

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    This.
     
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  9. Grim up North

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    I have to debate why you aren't banned again?

    The forum was a good read till you popped up again with your 15 **** threads a day.
     
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  10. green_day

    green_day New Member

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    they're not sh(i)t, anyway, i'm not here on monday, i'm back in work.
     
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  11. Sweats

    Sweats Sure Forum Moderator

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    I'd like to see all referees covered in treacle. Then dusted in crushed mint imperials.
     
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  12. Psycho2k

    Psycho2k Active Member

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    Personally I think they should scrap all the inactive crap and just go back to being either onside of offside, the refs made less mistakes regarding offsides when they didn't have to consider a dozen variables in a split second before making what should be a straight forward decision. If they insist on sticking with this inactive bollocks then they should change it so that any player inside of the box is always considered active, no ifs, buts or maybes.
     
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