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The not606 vision of F1 in the future

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by DHCanary, Mar 2, 2011.

  1. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member
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    F1 is always filled with debate on what tracks should be raced at, how racing can be made more interesting, how to close the gaps between teams, how to reduce the budgets, etc.

    So, everyone, what would your ideal F1 season consist of? How many races? Which races would you scrap, and what tracks deserve a place on your calendar?

    Are there any rules you'd like to see introduced, or gotten rid of? Any changes to the cars?

    Theres been threads before discussing how F1 can be improved, so by putting this all together, I thought it'd be interesting to see what shape people would like F1 to take!

    DHCanary
     
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  2. jerseymackem

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    Get rid of Bahrain and Valencia, start in Australia, 20 races I think is good. I can't think of any more severely crap tracks off the top of my head, but Austria should come back, and a Rome street race would be epic!
     
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  3. Hyperupdate

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    I would make the tracks more extreme. Its boring to watch people go a straight line for 5 mins :)
     
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  4. McWilliams

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    Hyperupdate you realise this is F1 not IRL?
     
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  5. Hyperupdate

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    Nowt wrong with the good old F1. Serious suggestion would be to get rid of Bernie as I think he is holding the game back <ok>
     
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  6. El_Bando

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    Idealy I would get rid of all rules restraining the car but then you will need 12/13 teams that can afford to develop the cars competitivly even if they come last
     
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  7. Forza Bianchi

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    Preferably a season with 20 races, that would Start in Melbourne and end at Interlagos.

    The remaining 18 races (in any order) would be:
    1. Sepang
    2. Istanbul Park
    3. Monte Carlo
    4. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
    5. Silverstone
    6. Nurburgring (GP-Strecke)
    7. Hockenheimring
    8. Nurburgring (Nordschleife)
    9. Magny-Cours
    10. San Marino
    11. Hungaroring
    12. Spa (old or new circuit)
    13. Singapore Street Circuit
    14. Monza
    15. Suzuka
    16. A1-Ring
    17. Austin 2012 Circuit
    18. Fuji Speedway.

    Rules:
    I would revert the most of the rules to the pre-2009 aerodynamic regulations

    - Get rid of the wide front wings
    - Refuelling banned
    - No rule about Q3 tyres
    - No double diffusers
    - No F-Ducts/ EBD's
    - No moveable aero/ flexi wings
    - No Shark fins
    - Turbo's allowed
    - Lower rear wing
    - Close the pit lane when safety car is out
    - Spare chasis rule
    - Bring back V10's
    - No RRA (Resource Restriction Agreement)
    - No Adjustable rear wing

    I know it would benefit the bigger teams but I would also like to see in-season testing again.
     
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  8. McWilliams

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    I agree with all apart from the RRA and the pit lane closure.

    RRA will create just too much disparity between the huge cross subsidised companies and those where the team is the main income.

    Pit lane closure during safety car period caused so many unfair penalties - if a driver/team fails bringing out a safety car then the other teams shouldn't be penalised for it.
     
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  9. Forza Bianchi

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    It used to be unfair because some teams had no choice but to pit for fuel and take a penalty. With refuelling banned, I see no reason why teams should pit - it all becomes chaos in the pit lane as we saw last year with some collisions, wheel's coming off the cars, etc.
     
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  10. DHCanary

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    The problem with removing the RRA is that you effectively price out many of the teams. Without it, Lotus, Force India, Virgin, Hispania and Williams wouldn't be able to compete. The field would be too small, and it simply becomes a case of who has the most cash. It will also deter new teams.

    What I'd like to see is the introduction of a new 'feeder' series, which has the same regulations as the main F1, but has a much reduced budget. Currently the RRA allows teams to spend 50 million Euros a season, in this feeder series, I'd like to see this reduced to 10 million. In order to make the new series successful, I'd want it to have the exact same season as F1, on the same weekends, and make sure the series gets covered on all networks that broadcast F1. I mean, does the BBC really need an hour long build up for each race? Why not show half an hour of this new series in this time? (And maybe have the buildup on Red Button). By giving this series exposure, more teams are likely to be interested, because funding it would be easier.

    I'd also like to see teams that do well in this new series able to compete in the main F1 race, with extra points on offer for finishing, and beating other drivers. I'd allow them to qualify if they could post a qualifying time within 12 seconds of pole position in the F1 race, increasing exposure and offering new teams an inexpensive way into F1.

    The aim of this format is to introduce lots of teams to F1 racing (and the performance of F1 standard cars), before changing the RRA for both F1 and the new series, so that they have a level playing field, of perhaps 15-20million euros. By this point, potentially 20 teams could be competing, allowing F1 to be split into 2 'leagues', with promotion and relegation every half season?

    Anyone think I may have gone mad here - personally it makes sense to me.

    Other changes:

    -I'd like to see the calendar get rid of some of the more dull races, such as Valencia and Bahrain, and introduce some older 'classic' circuits such as Imola. All new tracks need to offer lots of overtaking opportunities, and also be a test of driver skill.
    -I'd like to see teams given the ability to spend above the RRA, if it is on 'green' technology. These innovations could be much more easily adapted to road car use, helping to reduce fossil fuel consumption. If cars could run on biofuel, electricity, or have much higher mpg, that would be a great start.
    -The overall level of aero grip should be reduced further, in order to make it easier to get close to the back of a car in front. Replace this grip with more mechanical grip, by increasing the tyre size further.
     
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  11. McWilliams

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    Of course Lorca, that is a good point. But it could also be the point they need to pit for new tyres.
     
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    With the new Pirelli's everyone could do with a new set of tyres at all point during the race. ;)
     
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    My ideal calendar would have Bahrain and Valencia scrapped. Magny Cours and the A1 Ring reintroduced, and the new Austin circuit in Texas.
     
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  14. jerseymackem

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    I think setting a minimum speed requirement as well, the 3 new teams don't rally add anything imo, and should be made to reach targets before being allowed to race (i.e. turning a wheel before the first race!)
     
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  15. DHCanary

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    I was disappointed when Magny Cours went, it seems really odd there isn't a French GP. Any chance of a Scandinavian grand prix, I'd love to see how an F1 car handles on snow.
     
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  16. El_Bando

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  17. nh-f1

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    My ideal F1? Well put it back to the way it was when I was younger to start-maybe 7 or 8, so 2003ish, without one team dominating like Ferrari of course!Really i'd like to see;

    1)Extremely loud V10's like in the day
    2)Restrictions on aerodynamics lifted-so the cars look like they did pre-2009 pretty much. It's the outrageous design that made an F1 car, and F1 car (except the tower wings from Prost)
    3)Bring back extreme wets and normal wets
    4)All be pay to drivers are BANNED-they have to properly prove themselves first (GP2 champion, couple of F3 championships will do)

    DHCanary had some pretty good ideas, the feeder series is pretty much like GP2, but I like his version, it would be like having LMP1, LMP2, GT1 etc in Le Mans racing, though it would mean a few extra cars on track. That being said, why not having independent drivers, like BTCC? Some drivers have their own team and they are the only driver-in which they fund the team, with aid from sponsors.

    I would like to see some decent tracks back as well. Also the European GP should definitely alternate between European countries every year, rather than the highest bidder-maybe like the bidding thing for the Olympics etc. Here's the tracks I'd like to see back in action, and maybe new ones;

    A1-Ring/Red Bull Ring
    Magny-Cours
    Indianapolis-I thought maybe have a race at an oval track per year but use the infield track and alternate the location every year all over the world, which includes Rockingham in the UK.
    Zandvoort More races in the America's-show them what true racing is!!!
    Brands Hatch Alternate Melbourne and Adelaide-if Melbourne are having these issues
    Kyalami Repbulic of Ireland??-not part of the UK- i think
    Jerez Nordschleife-if they can get it safe enough
    Estoril Qatar-works for MotoGP
     
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  18. DHCanary

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    Could F1 race at Le Sarthe? Perhaps not for a full 24hrs (although that would be awesome), but a standard race length. It'd certainly be something a bit different on the calendar, with a much longer track and the potential to see just how fast an F1 car can go in a straight line.
     
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  19. McLarenBluebird

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    Perfect Season calander

    Australia Albert Park
    Malaysia Sepang
    France Magny Cours
    Spain Barcelona
    Britain Silverstone
    Austria A1 ring
    Italy Monza
    Germany Old Hockenhiem
    Argentina Bueno Aires
    Canada Montreal
    USA Indianapolis
    Abu Dhabi
    Monaco
    Singapore
    Turkey
    Brazil
    Japan Suzuka
    San Marino Imola


    That'll do me nicely, in any order
     
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  20. DHCanary

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    MclarenBluebird that looks pretty damn great, no Spa though?
     
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