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The myth of the 20 goal-a-season forward

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  1. BenHarrison

    BenHarrison New Member

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    Ask fans at almost every club in the Premier League what their team needs for success this coming season and signing or retaining the services of a 20-goal-a-season forward wouldn’t be too far from the top of their list.

    But this new article shows that not only are such players extremely rare (only 33 in history of #EPL), you don't need them to win the Championship (only half of championship winning sides have boasted one).

    Here is the link to the full article.

    http://hitrowz.com/2013/07/14/the-myth-of-the-20-goal-a-season-forward/

    What do you all think? What does this mean for the Suarez debate? Do Liverpool need a big name striker?

    Ben
     
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  2. Never believed in a twenty-goal striker, I believe in a 80 goal team <ok>

    I won't condemn a striker if they are short of goals so long as they are working hard for the team and creating chances, whether they get the assist, the assist to the assist or simply create space.

    Getting a top striker that could get twenty, maybe even thirty goals a season is great but what happens if they get injured in October and are out until February? The team is ****ed!
     
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  3. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    I think we'll score alot of goals this season,80+.

    But they will come from a broader range of goalscorers (i.e. several in the teens.)
     
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  4. Tempted to put a wager on Coutinho to get 25+ combination of goals and assists, maybe even 30+ <ok>
     
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  5. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    Well he is one who will be in the teens next season,and his assist record so far
    is frightening.Watching our goals from the second half of last season is crazy,
    he's involved to some degree in everything.What a gem of a player.

    Your money's safe Mr. Gerrez <ok>
     
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  6. I reckon he can clock up over fifteen assists, the question mark is how many goals he will get. I reckon he can get ten but not sure if he will get fifteen?
     
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    organic red Well-Known Member

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    Yeah,more assists than goals I agree,but were in the right ballpark
     
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  8. Just requested the odds for 20+ and 30+
     
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  9. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    and...........c'mon spill the beans.

    Or are you waiting on them?
     
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  10. Waiting for a response. Ask on the online chat thing but because of its individuality, I have to wait for head office to respond within 24 and 48 hours <ok>

    Edit: I stated all competitions too to make sure
     
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  11. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    You'll let us know I'm sure <ok>
     
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  12. Will do (if they actually get back to me)


    PS...I've only asked William Hill <ok>
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    1. of course you need a good forward!

    2. you need a massive CB.... if you look at the sides who have won the prem each will have their own version of vidic... arsenal had campbell in the day, we had hyppia and since he left we've been terrible

    3. you need a real domineering CM. vieria, keane, essien... we've not had one since macherano left

    4. you need a class keeper. utd had vds, cheslea cech and so forth and so on.

    building a side to survive the Prem will require a go at all 4.


    however, I must say to think that if you stick a "countiho" in there for lots of assists and bobs your uncle aint the answer. lets face it there's a long list of those types like oh mata for instance and forwards like torres who can't score make it pointless.... no dalglish and rush point the way... DO we need suarez is not the question, the question is do we have someone who can put away the chances. And frankly the answer as it had been for 4 games already is yes we have ONE player left who can.

    If coutinho is one half of the partnership then sturridge has to be the other half to really be effective as a side. blackbrun 95... gallagher, shearer, hendry... "sherwood & batty" Flowers in goal.... Arsenal... seaman, campbell/adams, vieria/petit, overmars/pires, henry..... lundberg.

    Its quite simple today LFC have in every area of the pitch guys who need to take the finger out or who are unproven... agger, can he stop leaking set piece goals, reina, stay/go.. .play well? Lucas, can he get back to fitness? Gerrard, can he play to his strengths and tatacial discipline, coutinho... one season wonder? sturrdige, fit? consistent? Suarez? biter? racist? mercenary? genius? Aspas? any good?

    in short just having suarez and 30 goals was not enough when you throw in goals at the back and play the first 6 months with one up.
     
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  14. In summary: a striker is part of the spine <ok>
     
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  15. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    The key is not having to rely on someone being fit and playing well to win games I.e. Gerrard back in the day - if Suarez got his ban and we never picked up coutinho and Sturridge in Jan then we would have been screwed.

    But when he got banned we proved that we didnt need him to get results
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    in summary, "striker = core competency"
     
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  18. Dangerously Delicious

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    Personally I want any player coming into LFC to perform at least as described and to the best of his abilities.

    With a striker of course you want the player to take his chances all the time. But I don't necessarily get hung up on numbers, more consistency. If we field a striker who is consistently wasteful and has dry spells then of course statistics become more important as its necessary to question his ability and these provide an accurate way of doing that. Similarly if the striker is successful they provide fans with a comparative basis.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I'm sure this debate was had already?

    this is a great quote:

    "Notable absentees from this list include Manchester United&#8217;s talismanic Frenchman Eric Cantona &#8211; credited with so much of United&#8217;s success in the nineties -, Liverpool&#8217;s Michael Owen and expensive Premier League imports Robinho, Andriy Shevchenko and Hernan Crespo."

    owen was always injured and the other s were total flops... and then there's cantona. its a well known PHAHKT utd had hughes mcclair and the like and never had a 20 goal man back then... which is why RVN and cole and the like came in.

    In short... if you've the res tof the team but no goal getter then having one is vital. of you've got one but can't provide chances and leak goals its pointless.
     
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