Good Morning Everyone La Liga outfit Getafe are trying to wriggle out of their obligation to keep Saiz at the Coliseum Alfonso Pérez until the end of the season, let alone pay the 6m the two clubs had agreed! Fourth place Getafe signed the versatile attacker back in January hoping the ex Barca starlet would be a welcome addition to their squad! Instead, the 28yo has been limited to cameo appearances only. Getafe have now said they don't want Saiz on loan anymore, let alone permanently at the end of the season. Unfortunately for the team South of Madrid, there is no break clause in his contract! There is no obligation that Getafe have to purchase Saiz however! Doncaster boss Grant McCann has heaped praise on Leeds youngster Malik Wilkes. The 20yo has scored 13 goals so far this season for Donny. Speaking to the press, McCann said “I think he’s grown as the season has gone on, I think he’s got stronger. He’s got more belief in himself. “This is what I expected we would get from him but I think he can be better. The lad has got everything to play in the Championship, whether that’s with Leeds, us or somebody else. He’s got all the attributes.” What makes a proper football fan? Should a fan be labelled 'plastic just because they don't live within a commutable distance to their team, thus making it difficult to attend matches? Is it an insult to be called 'plastic'? Should those who attend matches week in, week out be held in higher kudos?
Morning Ell and all. I think the Siaz situation is a real waste of a good player. It's quite clear that coming back to us is not going to work as his head and heart just won't be in the right place. What a waste! What a waste! As Ian Dury would say. A proper football fan in my view is somebody who does attend games on a regular basis and I have great respect for those that do manage to find the time and money to support the team in this way. I have supported LUFC for 49 years from torquay initially but mainly from the London area. I have to admit that I prefer playing football to watching it live and as such I have only seen Leeds play live on a handful of occasions over the years. That does not mean that I have suffered any less over the ups and downs of the last 49 years so yes plastic is not the right word and to me is an insult. I do agree that those that do attend games deserve more kudos
Morning all Firstly on Saiz, yes Getafe spoke to Leeds about sending him back, but Orta was over there on Monday and sorted it out. They are obliged to keep him until the season ends, but Orta is now trying to find someone to buy him. Bielsa has told the club he doesn't want him back at the club or infecting the squad. Billybigbollox players deserve all they get, but gutted that he decided to leave as he would have been an asset with his heart in the job. Hope we get back what we paid for him. Wilks is doing great and has improved which means his value has risen too. I cannot see him playing for Leeds Utd again and suspect that the start of a deal has been agreed with Donny as we 'bought' one of their kids this week who is also a striker and he signed a 3.5yr deal with us. The comment from McCann says it all really: 'Malik is good enough to play in the Championship.......' we need better and we have the likes of Clarke, Edmondson, Kun, Dalby coming through.... The term 'plastic' is a made up form of abuse by fans who watch most home games and think it clever to slag off other fans who for a variety of reasons cannot go to games or as many games as they would like. Plastic would really describe Man Utd fans who live elsewhere but want to be associated with them for the glory. I like many on here have been watching Leeds since Revie/Cocker were building world beaters. I missed a big chunk of the early 70s because I was overseas but waited for news reports. I came back late 70s and immediately went to every game and some away games. The 80s saw marriage, mortgage, kids and that meant occasional visits. I was back for every home game in the 90s and then worked away from home and worked overseas and moved away....... I still managed the occasional trip to ER or an away game or pre-season friendly. Illness and lack of funds screws me up now as I'm unemployed. So a variety of reasons just for me and that and other reasons apply to the likes of Shacks/Eire/Este/Jonny etc etc etc who dont live around the corner, but they go to whatever they can fit in... Many sacrifice loads to go to matches and spend hours and hours and loads of expense doing it and should be applauded and maybe its time the club recognised some of these plastics
Morning All, I agree with Norman "proper fans" attend matches on a regular basis, more kudos, I'm not sure, but respect yes. For me there is lack of clarity around what a plastic fan is supposed to be. I always thought it was a supporter of cash rich clubs like Chelsea or City? Or one who supports an always successful team that is to say Glory Hunters. It this is an acceptable definition no Leeds fan, wherever they are or however many matches they attend could or should be called plastic. Saiz, who is he, didn't he play for us once? you know what they say about ex's! Wilkes is probably worth a look at in the summer but, no disrespect to him, I'm hoping next season we need better.
Morning all.. If you look up plastic fan everyone’s interpretation is slightly different. 1) Some say those who support a team but have no ties to the area. 2) Those who support a team because they’re winning and trendy 3) Those who turn up in the corporate box with no interest in the actual game 4) Anyone who supports a team that they know little of the history or can’t name great players from the past. For me any apart from #1 could apply, #2 depends on the supporters age. I’ll admit to not having been to Elland Road for a good few season but the pain of losing is as great sitting at home watching them on TV as it is being at the game. In a way being at the game for a defeat is slightly better as you know you’re not alone, the atmosphere helps ease it a little. Going back to number 2 and ignoring kids who are lucky enough to go to games with their parents... Kids are not going to support a losing team, the bullying at school and not being with the in crowd isn’t worth it. As they get older and mature if they continue to support that team they did as a kid then no they’re not plastic. I have mates I grew up with, between the age of 9-18 two were Ipswich supporters, both switched to Arsenal, one is even covered with Arsenal tattoos, they switched allegiances when they were in their mid to late twenties, I just don’t understand that myself.
Morning all. The word supporter should apply to all and maybe fan to those attending. Plastic only applies to those attending only when a team are successful imo
Anyone got any views in the VAR situation as I thought last night was another joke where VAR won the game. I saw the game and couldnt believe that a penalty was awarded which then puts them through. They were outclassed in both games but showed bottle but bottle should only be good enough when you score more goals than the opposition. I dont believe any referee would award a penalty for handball when the ball hits the elbow of a player with his back to the ball. Ball to hand isnt a penalty. My view only though But in general is VAR a good thing or not?
I was born and bred in Devon and as such there were no big teams locally with the choice being torquay utd (my home town), Plymouth argyle or Exeter City. As a young lad keen on football you want to support a big team. At that time (late 60s, early 70s) Leeds were amongst the top teams and my choice was made prior to the 1970 fa Cup final vs Chelsea and I haven't looked back since. Not once have I considered changing allegiance to another team and I can name the full team from the early 70s with no problems. As you might have guessed by now my all time Leeds hero is Norman hunter. Having purchased a dvd of the 1970 Cup final I have a greater understanding of the way I play the game. The match report from the last vets game I played in from March 2018 described my defending as like the Norman hunter appreciation society but without Norman's finesse.
Our old man used to say, those that go to games are a supporter, those that don't are a follower, I've been both,late 70's, only missed 1 game in 3 seasons home and away, missed the coach, most of 90's early 00's season ticket holder, 80's ventured now and then because of work, since 2007, a few times a season because of family. Doesn't make me more or less of a supporter but I have a great respect and envy of those that get to games regularly. I put plastic , like one of my Brother in laws, he's a scummer because of what they've won, never been, rarely watches them on tv, doesn't really like football imo, but likes to say it's his team.
Good morning all I have always felt i am not a supporter of the club,as i do not attend games (due to my location),so i am not supporting the club financially,however i regard my self as a loyal fan,and always will be threw thick & thin,would never even contemplate following another club,i feel the pain & excitement of the most ardent supporter of our great club,and at the moment it's pure excitement,i am constantly thinking about the next match atm,with butterflies in my stomach,i have followed Leeds ever since watching the FA cup finale with chelsea back in 1970 at the age of ten and practically willing the ball in the net. Never in my life have i felt like that about a team before.I remember the feeling of being gutted for the first time as we lost the replay,it's not a nice feeling for a ten year old. I used to watched southampton,and went with my neighbors down the old Dell,so i must admit to having a soft spot for them,this is why i am following them more than ever this season,as i will look forward to Leeds coming to ST Mary's,would be sod's law if they got relegated this season as we get promoted.
I don't like VAR. Even in it's short existence there are so many 'contentious' decisions that are still dubious after have been watched again countless times from countless angles, and so many 'obviously correct' decisions from watching just the initial viewing that are then overturned after the intervention of VAR. Slows the game down unnecessarily. Refs get so many things wrong, along with their assistants, but that's always been part and parcel of the game. If your team gets an incorrect decision given against them it's annoying but **** happens and hopefully the next game an incorrect decision will go in your favour. It's always been the way. Goal line technology is a good thing though and eradicates any doubt as to whether the ball has crossed the line.
I'm abroad atm, went looking for a seat in the back hotel bar last night and had to leave when I realised it was Scum on the telly. I wouldn't grace the *******s with a Leeds presence. Sad or what.
Seems like Bielsa's been lurking on here as this is his take from the press conference today Frankly I think everyone on here who has survived the Bates/GFH/Cellino/Brexit Thread years has passed the masochistic test and is officially a devoted Leeds fan
This plastic word comes up every time the side starts playing well. If I lived in Leeds, I'd never miss a game. I don't, but I feel I make a bigger effort to support the team and I've seen some **** over my 47 years. I honestly had never heard of the word before forums like this. It used to bug me, but I really don't care what people think of me. To me a plastic is someone who abandons the side through the **** years and starts up again when the side is successful or playing well. My conscience is clear.
Well said Shaks. Next to last sentence sums up my thoughts. Having said that all are welcome in my book.
I see you as a true fan and supporter, when I think how much alcohol you've had to consume in the name of Leeds United I doubt one other person alive can match that devotion
Shaks is my hero and to be fair his film star good looks, his PC behaviour, his abstinance from booze shows his commitment..... fk wrong Shaks I thought we were talking about our U23 player. Shacks mate you are goldust even though you have no PC behaviour..
