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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 13th Sept)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Good Morning Everyone


    Luke Ayling has been talking to the YEP about the strict conditions Bielsa expects from all his player

    “I’m the fittest, the skinniest, the leanest I’ve been,” Ayling told the Yorkshire Evening Post. “I thought I was skinny before but [Bielsa] came in and said ‘no, four kilos is what you’ve got to lose’. We had weight targets to reach each day.

    “It’s tough and we’re not used to it but we found out in pre-season how it was going to be. We know what we’re going to be doing and that we’re going to be in pretty much every day so it doesn’t bother us. It’s no worries. We’ve lost weight but it’s fat we’re losing, not muscle. We’ve been putting on muscle.

    “We’ve done our scans and all the things that should have gone up have gone up. All the things that should have gone down had gone down. There haven’t been any boys who’ve put weight back on or haven’t reached their targets.

    “We can’t be carrying that extra weight around. The way he (Bielsa) wants us to work and play, the games come thick and fast and there’s no good in carrying an extra two or three kilos. He’s doing it to help us. You do feel lighter.”






    Can you name 11 players that played for both Leeds and Millwall?
     
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    Morning all...

    Makes a pleasant change for daily/weekly news stories out of ER to be all positive.
     
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    Morning all. It sounds as if behaving like a top class professional sportsman has come as a nasty shock to the system.
     
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  4. Doc

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    Morning all

    In our search for a striker this Summer, it seems Leeds put a bid in for a Czech International Michael Krmencik. This was when we were getting the runaround by Hernandez and Vydra, so it seems we were really going for it as this guy has scored 7 in 7 so far this season and highly rated. The CEO of his club has stated they are glad they managed to keep him as Leeds Utd came calling and put a bid in but they wanted £10m?
     
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  5. Eireleeds1

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    Morning all. Jees with the team lighter than last season, the Wallies will be throwing the lads around like rag dolls. I wonder could Bielsa get them to put on two stone each just for this rugby match on Saturday
     
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  6. leeds60

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    Good Morning to sheriff and his posse from a cool dull Bardsey
    Well only 2 days before the war and I hope the lads come out of it as men for to my mind the next 23 games will define our seasons7 Points from the next 3 games will will be just fine I hope we have enough fit for the Preston game or it could be deja vue bringing in lots of youth in
    Brum will be up for it with Monk as well I just hope our small squad can cope with it
    Looks like Terry will be going to Villa again how do they get away with the fair play rules Doc
    Morrison and the young lad that scored at ER spring to mind Matt but did Wise play for us OKane perhaps
     
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  7. southernwhite

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    Avery good morning to you all, on a crisp bright autumn morning in southampton.
    Two days five hours twenty two minutes to go,not that i'm counting :emoticon-0158-time: :smile:
    Thats a good one Ell,players that played for us and the wallies
    can only think of whelan,morrison,our captain of promotion from L1 Naylor & possibly andy keogh,must admit can't think of anyone else.<sorry> help me out someone :emoticon-0138-think
     
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    Morning all. ..can only think of 2 who played for us & the bermondsey boot boys, Steve Morison & Noel Whelan.
     
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  9. Doc

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    FFFP Rules for Championship clubs was changed in 2014 so that clubs are now measured over 3 season period not one.

    The maximum loss limit is now £13m per Championship season
    Losses are assessed over three seasons (rather than just over the single, previous season).

    The assessment of each club’s finances is a combination of a historic assessment (looking at figures for the two previous completed season) andan assessment over the season currently taking place.

    Clubs are permitted to exclude some expenditure (Youth development spend, Charitable Community spend, and Women’s Football spend). For a Championship cub this rarely exceeds £500k per season (and is usually less).

    Clubs relegated from the Premier League are allowed to make losses of up to £35m in respect of any season spent in the top flight – this should allow clubs to better manage the transition.


    What happens if clubs bust their ceiling for losses?
    Any punishment for breach of the rules will be determined by an independent panel (the ‘Fair Play Panel’).

    But what are the potential punishments?

    Previously the Football League has only been able to either fine promoted clubs (a fine the Premier League didn’t help them collect), or impose a transfer embargo for historic overspending (which always like a stable-door/horse scenario).

    With this change, a wide range of punishments are now available.

    Nothing is off the table; the Football League are now able to impose a points deduction during the current season, or demote a club from an automatic promotion position into the play-offs (or out of the play-offs altogether).

    Transfer embargoes are also available (with the earliest one potentially applying during the Summer 2017 Transfer window.
    As we spelled out here, while Villa have made more than £150 million worth of losses over a three-year period, not all of it counts towards FFP.

    However a football finance expert says Aston Villa’s predicament is ‘really severe’ and has predicted sales this summer.

    Villa are thought to have to raise as much as £45 million in order to stay on the right side of the line.

    Kieran Maguire, a lecturer in football finance at the University of Liverpool, discussed Villa’s problems at length with the BBC.

    He said: “It’s really severe for Villa because this is the second year they’ve had parachute payments. They got around £35million from the Premier League to cushion the blow of relegation.

    “Those payments get cut back severely next year so they’re going to have £20million less coming in. I think the problem for Villa is that the owner has gambled in the last couple of years on recruiting players on big wages.

    How can they raise that kind of money?
    Wages are a huge cost for Villa - in the area of £65 million a season - so while cutting the likes of John Terry off the wage bill will help, they will need more. Loan players like Robert Snodgrass and Lewis Grabban, who have had a great impact on the club, will possibly be out of reach with this financial backdrop.

    The fear for Villa fans will be Jack Grealish. The talented midfielder would raise something like half the money they would need - but would be a major blow.

    What has Tony Xia said?
    As part of a longer statement, Dr Tony said:

    We have been heavily investing for the past two seasons.

    However, the loss on Saturday means that we need to change a lot of things.

    No one wanted to see the club have to go through this, but I believe that only changes can help the club to progress towards the positive direction and this requires the joint efforts of everyone associated with this great football club.

    "No matter what the changes will be, I sincerely hope that everyone can unite and overcome the challenges together.
     
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    The FFFP post above gives you a flavour of what problems Villa have got but there are plenty of loopholes for them to hide behind. One of the reasons Orta invested heavily in the academy and U18s and 23s is that investment isnt counted as spend. So any players we sell adds profit to the books but the main idea is that players come through to the first team saving a fortune but also increasing their book value which inflates the assets of the club therefore making it really hard to breach the rules.
     
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    According to my villa supporting son in law, Villa sold 51% of their shares in the summer with new owner sorting out the debt but not offering much towards transfers. They are stable again though according to the sol
     
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    Good morning Matt & everyone
    I noticed after our first couple of games that our players were bouncing appearing as fit as a butchers dog, they actually looked liked athletes to be fair.
    Is it any wonder why we ended up halfway down the league with a bunch of overweight blubbers ambling around the pitch, to be brutally honest the same players cheated our fans last year, in the end I stopped applauding them at the beginning & the end of games, they deserved nothing but animosity from our loyal support
     
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    I see Bradford City are going through managers like a dose of salts, their fourth new coach in 2018.
    Michael Collins lasted six games, ex-Leeds player David Hopkin has taken on the reins at Valley Parade.
     
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  14. Doc

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    There's the next loophole Eire because the new investor will have given the club a LOAN. Loans from owners are not classed as debt
     
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    Morning all,

    Worth pointing out that the fat Bielsa is almost certainly targeting is not visible - you need a scan to see it. It's called visceral fat, which is internal & surrounds organs, often impeding the organs function. You can look as skinny as hell but still - unknowingly - have this internal store of fat. 4-6 kilos is normal for skinny people. It's only become prominent in the last few years. I learned about it on the BBC from their resident doc, Michael Mosley.

    Nice to be back after my trip up north to be with my Tartan Army brethern, and delighted to win our opening Nations League fixture that leaves us top of our group. How did engerland get on, btw?
     
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    Fede Bessone
     
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    And Chris Wood
     
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    We beat Switzerland.:emoticon-0109-kiss: try and keep up WJ.:emoticon-0142-happy
     
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    Leeds and nillwall,Eric Lichah the left back,probably spelt wrong and Tresor Kandol.
     
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