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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Mon 22 Oct)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Good Morning Everyone

    Leeds suffered defeat at the hands of Blackburn Rovers on Saturday in front of over 7000 Leeds fans!

    Even though this was only the second time they have lost this season, something felt very wrong about the display.

    We were not winning the 50/50 balls, the intensity had just about disappeared and many were left wondering where our next goal was coming from!





    Just like he did at Birmingham, Bielsa took the blame for a tactical error. After the game the former Argentina Coach said that he should have played Berardi at left back and Dallas at right back!

    If truth be known, I would not have played Dallas at all. As reliable as he is at playing any position on the pitch to an 'ok' standard, he is only able to put in a performance when playing for Northern Ireland!





    In true Leeds fashion following a loss, the knives came out across social media, this time aimed at Saiz.

    In truth the Spaniard has had better games for the Whites but to be called 'the most overrated player in the Championship', 'a broken man' and 'dreadful' from so called Leeds fans is a joke, surely?
     
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  2. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    Saiz is great in this league and to be fair to him in the prem he would flourish as you get more time on the ball. I have said before he is a poor mans Silva but the price comparison shows exactly why and it down to choices and end product. Silva manages to either score or provide the killer ball whereas Saiz makes bad decisions and isnt scoring (Yet) Saiz will benefit from having Pablo back and he can turn a game in seconds so for me is a must starter and how many players have we got who are capable of Premier league?

    Saturday was bad or very poor but I still think Bielsa will sort it out especially now most of the injuries are sorted. Set Piece training a must as that defending was like last season and we must start converting chances as pointless having 70% of the play if you dont use it
     
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  3. Doc

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    Players IMHO who are capable of Prem footy

    • Saiz
    • Pablo
    • Pontus
    • Douglas
    • Ayling
    • Phillips
    • Klich
    • Bamford
     
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  4. 1964white

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    Good morning Matt & everyone

    Bielsa needs to get Dallas out of his head totally as he has better creative talent at his disposal

    It wasn't only the full-backs that were wrong

    Accommodating Roberts
    Playing Roofe on the wing
    And more importantly not starting Pablo

    I was worried before the kick-off, that team selection & the way we lined-up was totally unbalanced as Bielsa tried to play safe, inevitably we were all over the place & looked more like our 2017/18 side apart from the possession stats

    As for Saiz his end product is abysmal, one out of ten decent passes is way below standard, needs to release the ball quicker too instead of being a greedy little git

    We deserved what we got in the end....nothing
     
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  5. 1964white

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    Pablo
    Pontus
    Phillips

    for me although Hernandez will be too old by the time we reach the prem
     
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  6. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    Lets hope we are not all too old !!!

    Evening all
     
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  7. Doc

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    Many of us are already too old, can you hear me Shaks <cheers>
     
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  8. hemase

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    Morning all.

    The reaction on social media was an embarrassment. Yes we lost and I was angry Saturday but to turn on the team like many supporters did after one loss is ridiculous. The high standards we set in the first few games has changed peoples expectations and it is showing.

    If any of us had been offered 4th in the league, 2 points off top with a plus 12 gd and only two defeats in 13 games we would have snapped their hands off. We have been dominating games and we are trying to play football the right way, that goal Saturday was something you would see in Barcelona, we just need to find the net more again.

    I do believe that with Roofe and Hernandez back we will start scoring more than one a game again and someone will soon be on the wrong end of a drubbing by us. I would not be surprised if it is Wednesday and poor old Ipswich.


    Saturday was not our best but again we were only undone by poor defending of set pieces. We can play all the good football we want but Bielsa needs to learn that in the Championship you will come up against two 6 foot 5 ogres and boom we are behind. Tighten up that aspect of the defence and we will be back on track.
     
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  9. hemase

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    Has anyone else seen the photo of the Leeds fan who went to Blackburn dressed as Jimmy Saville? It is doing the rounds on social media and is mostly being condemned as an unfunny sick joke. Some Leeds fans are defending it as being funny though.

    Personally I find it embarrassing for the club and for other supporters who may not like the idea of glorifying a ****phile.
     
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  10. southernwhite

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    Morning all
    As everyone else dissapointed with saturday,s performance,but i am sure we will bounce back.It will be nothing like last season,as Bielsa is still finding his feet in the championship and will make tactical mistakes.putting them right is the main thing,he will have learned the hard way,that roofe is no winger,and Dallas is no left back.One thing i would like to see is Alioski in the LB role, as he has put in one or two stunning performances in that position,Roofe threw the middle & obviously Pablo starting,another thing it's not only defending set pieces we need to work on,It's taking them as well our corners & free kicks are some of the most poorly thaught out (if thaught out they are) that i have seen in the championship,we seem to carry no threat at all from them,i remember the days of the pin point corners & free kicks from Mc allister on to the head of Chapman,the oposition new what was coming,but very little they could do about it as the accuracy on to the head of a tall striker was deadly at times.But you do need a dead ball specialist,this is where Douglas should come into his own when fit,so to me does a good old fashioned target man have his uses in the modern game,well to me, you bet your arse he does.Hurry January transfer window please.
     
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  11. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Look on the bright side the more we lose the less the drama queens worry about Bielsa being enticed elsewhere :biggrin: <whistle>
     
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  12. Doc

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    2 strikers are still being talked about as being in discussions with Orta and either would be brilliant for us:

    • Mbaye Diagne scored his 10th in just nine games for Turkish side Kasimpasa at the weekend
    • Prijavic scored both goals for PAOK Salonika making it 12 goals in 15 games. (7 in 7 league games) the rest are Champions League
    The price for these 2 is rising unless Orta has already agreed a fee when he spoke to the clubs in the Summer and this is the 2nd or 3rd Time Orta has spoken to Salonika about Prijavic
     
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  13. ristac

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    I too find it embarrassing, the chances are at least one person would have been abused as a kid or know someone who has been a victim, I can say I’m very lucky that I don’t know of anyone but if I did I’d find it an absolutely sickening joke, for me it oversteps the mark and I don’t understand anyone who finds it funny but hey, we’re all different.

    On another note, I know on a forum it’s extremely difficult to express yourself in text only and at times it can come over as far more obnoxious or aggressive than you mean (I’ve been guilty myself) but one very valuable member is taking a break for a while, they feel if you have any negativity towards the teams performance it is jumped on and squashed.

    Morning all <ok>
     
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  14. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Come on ristac spill the beans man
     
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    It's not me.
     
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  16. hemase

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    It is sad that a member feels the need to stay away, I have been there myself in the past.

    In a forum you need all sides of all arguments otherwise it would soon get boring. The negativity on social media is another thing entirely though. It is so extreme it is close to scary. Opinions are normally more balanced on forums as people tend to cool down and form a true opinion. Social media allows us to display our anger as soon as we feel it and a lot of people let their emotions get the better of them.

    We need constructive criticism and I hope the member comes back soon.
     
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  17. Infidel

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    Just to re iterate what i stated on Saturday, we have been found out, Bielsa has to come up with plan B if he has one, teams are prepared for us and combat us accordingly.
    Bielsa said he got it wrong with Dallas and Berardi???? sorry but Dallas is not good enough IMO in any position, that was a massive mistake and Mowbury set the Blackburn team up to attack us down there right side, and they exposed us.
    Saiz is a descent player but holds on to the ball that touch too many, he pulls two player to him to stop him playing!! then he has done his job, he needs to pass the ball into the pocket where he has pulled that extra player from, its called getting round the back of a team, he did it once and we scored.
    We need to man up as a team, need to get more physical, stamp our authority on a match especially when we have 60% plus possession in a match.
    Cooper is not a Championship player, league 1 perhaps but not good enough if we are going to go forward within this season.
    We are lightweight up front, Roberts has not made the step up and again IMO not good enough.
    Roofe out wide was not effective, he played there last season and was poor, again. Mr. Bielsa if you watched all our games last season, which you said you did, then why push him out wide, was it just to accommodate Roberts...............i sincerely hope not. We do need a target man upfront, someone in the likes of Joe Jordan, Lee Chapman etc someone that makes it awkward for the back four opposition, at the moment it is pointless in pumping the ball upfront on the odd occasion has we have no height up there.

    Wednesday night game is of paramount importance, 3pts must be claimed and if we fail then we may start loosing touch with the leading pack.
    MOT
     
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  18. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> can’t think of anything that’s happened on here recently that would make someone leave because they feel they’ve been ‘jumped upon’ for criticising the team

    Must be one hell of a sensitive snowflake
     
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  19. Normanbitmyleg70

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    Haven't seen or heard about it until now. Whoever it was clearly is a sick, deluded individual. Something like that can never been seen as funny. I really hope they manage to identify this dick and ****ing kick him out.
     
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  20. wf10white

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    Morning all.....completely agree with you infidel. I was going to say pretty much the same myself. Considering that only Ayling was missing from what wold be our first choice team, we were terrible, did we really miss Ayling that much??????
     
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