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Off Topic The greed of Hamilton and Bieber

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by invermeremike, Dec 7, 2021.

  1. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Despite the ongoing pleas of concerned people around the world these 2 greedy idiots decided to take the dirty money and run back to their luxury mansions. Forget all the fuss about human rights and the lies told by your less than pure hosts because you can't hide from the fact that you both couldn't give a rat's arse about the wrongs of the world if it involves you losing money. Greed is a sad state of affairs when you clearly have no interest in listening to your detractors and as for Beebs I'm afraid Canada is ashamed of your actions.
     
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  2. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    Hamilton is the biggest hypocrite imaginable.

    This poor man was brought up in the Hertfordshire stockbroker belt ghetto (respect). He speaks out about historical slavery but drives for team who used forced labour to build vehicles for the nazis, whose main sponsor also used forced labour to make uniforms for the nazis both companies abandoned that forced labour to be murdered by the nazis once Mercedes and Hugo Boss realised the war was going to be lost.

    And in past few weeks his employers have accepted sponsorship from Kingspan the company that made the combustible panels for the Grenfell tower block.

    He is happy to take part in a grand prix in Saudi Arabia a country that has a murderous past and appalling human rights record.

    If the pay cheque is big enough morals, ethics, politics and self respect go out of the window.
     
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  3. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    What a ridiculous post.
     
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  4. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    Explain?

    The man is a hypocrite, wears a slave chain and is employed by a former user of forced labour as was one of his employers biggest sponsors and now receiving sponsorship from the company that made the combustible Grenfell tower panels. That is all fact. If he was so committed to removing all trace of slavery surely he would race for another team?
     
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  5. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    He has no control of the past, he’s an employee of a company that’s all. I don’t know who you worked for during your working life, but I’m sure you didn’t consider their past before accepting positions. Likewise he has no control over which sponsors are accepted by Mercedes. I’m not suggesting he’s a saint, but equally to call him a hypocrite based on the points you made imo is ridiculous
     
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  6. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    Nobody has any control of the past, he's a mega rich tax dodging employee, who has the wealth to make a huge statement of conscience about something that he claims to be passionate about.

    So Hamilton was at no stage was made aware of the antecedents of Mercedes new sponsors? If that is the case he should his whole PR team.
     
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  7. AshtonRed

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    Correct nobody has control of the past, so why quote the fact he worked for a company that used questionable practices in the past to suggest he’s a hypocrite?

    I’ve no idea if he was aware of who Mercedes’ new sponsors were going to be, I imagine you don’t either. I’m sure he has his hands full trying to win an eighth world title.

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    I’m aware he’s created the Hamilton trust to ensure there is a more diverse spread of people in F1, engineers etc in the years to come, so whilst he can’t control the past he’s attempting to affect the future, but I suppose this doesn’t fit your narrative
     
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  8. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    I quote it because it doesn't stop him from publicly supporting the cancel culture of toppling statues and re naming of streets, venues and schools, of anything connected to slavery, if that's not hypocrisy or controlling the past I don't know what is.

    So you are saying in this day and age that Mercedes greatest asset at no stage would be aware of an incoming sponsor that might and has in this case damaged his image? and would not have his lawyers and PR team involved to make sure that due diligence is carried to protect his image, I couldn't see this happening to Ronaldo for instance and I am amazed it has happened to Hamilton.

    Here's the headline:-
    Lewis Hamilton: 'All statues of racist men who made money from selling a human being should be torn down'

     
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  9. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    The first paragraph I agree with you and disagree with him, just because he has a different view to me doesn’t mean he’s a hypocrite.

    The honest answer is I’ve no idea, but I think it’s unlikely he gets involved with which sponsors are used, he’s a driver ffs, as I said he’s got enough to worry about trying to win an eighth world title.
     
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  10. Jiffie

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    Of course it makes him a hypocrite, Hamilton said of Colston: “He stole them from their families and their country, and he must not be celebrated. It should be replaced with a memorial for all those he sold, all those who lost their lives.”

    This was part of the holocaust where slaves were used and then killed when they were no longer of use the biggest ethnic cleansing exercise in history FFS.

    I cannot accept your last sentence, he has an army of lawyers and PR people, whose job it is to protect his image from exactly what has happened.
     
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    As I said I strongly disagree with him in relation to his views in relation to statues being removed, I don’t think it makes him a hypocrite,
     
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  12. wizered

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    I don't know the bloke, I'm aware of the arguments for and against him, my high regard for him is based purely on FI competition, I think he is a great driver, world champion and I congratulate him on his achievments.

    I fill my car everyday with petrol, oil, lubricants, I drive on rubber, it might even be made of Chinese steel, god knows what country any of these materials originate from but I don't regard myself as a 'Racist' or 'Hypocrite' for I love it and it's mine, people know I'm a lifelong suffering City supporter they also think Ive lost the plot, I don't give a S*** I just get on with my life.
     
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    Even if , for the sake of argument, we accept your point about his PR and lawyers, I can’t believe Mercedes would be dictated to by him.

    I notice you didn’t comment on the Hamilton trust point I made .
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with you, but I don’t think you’re a hypocrite.
     
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  15. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    I have only just seen it.

    Good luck to him and his trust.
     
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  16. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    The difference is mate that he is wealthy enough to make a massive statement, most of us have to buy what we can afford just to live.
     
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  17. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    Well I know I am, because most non wealthy people have no choice but to be hypocrites, but I have never worked for anybody involved in slavery or the holocaust.
     
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  18. AshtonRed

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    By coincidence or by choice ?
     
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  19. AshtonRed

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    Many industries have roots in slavery , tea , sugar to name 2 off the top of my head, I’m sure you’ve drunk tea or eaten something made from or at the very least which has sugar as an ingredient
     
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  20. AshtonRed

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    He’s only wealthy because of money paid to him by Mercedes. If he’d refused to work for them because of some principle about their past he wouldn’t be wealthy.
     
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