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You not able to accept the U.K (even having left the EU) is leading the world in its vaccinating programme?

First port of call should be to acknowledge that FACT. Hogging as many as possible is just a stupid thing to say.

 

60 million Novavax
100 million Oxford Astra-Zeneca
40 million Pfizer
17 million Moderna

217 million doses of vaccine for a population of 68 million hmmmmm

 

You are aware that the UK isn't leading the world in vaccinations?

 

Nope, the theft of public funds relates to the billions handed out to Tory MPs and donors, most of whom either didn't fulfill the contracts or had no background in the area involved.

If the roles were inversed and the EU had a surplus of vaccines you lot would be fuming that they weren't sharing.

 

Also, are EU lives of vulnerable people worth less than UK lives? We've already had 2 young Tory MPs jumping the queue for vaccinations.

 

Israel is leading the world on this but credit where it is due, everyone in the UK should be very proud of the way we are rolling out the vaccinations. The NHS is doing a superb job - what a pity that they were not put in charge of the test and trace system.

We must not rush to open things up though - the levels of transmission here are one of the worst in the world. If we let it get out of control again then there is a very real chance that the virus mutates into something more deadly and that the vaccines won’t work. We should pursue an elimination policy, but there are too many nutters in the government who won’t want to do this.

 

How can you say that after the billions handed over to Tory donors? Patel's idea of sending in the Navy to blow up the inflatables?

The UK has overprovisioned in vaccines, which I actually congratulate this selfish incompetent government for achieving, but they're more focused on PR than actually helping save lives. The 100k+ deaths is the evidence.

 

Yet more factual inaccuracy from a totally unsurprising source...

We bought and paid for millions of doses of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which we knew was being produced in European countries. Obviously a brain dead idiot like you does not understand how contracts work. Britain ordered early and placed a large order. The incompetent EU dithered and massively under ordered and now need any excuse going to deflect from their total failure.

We funded the research on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, bought and paid for millions of doses that are being produced in Staffordshire and Oxfordshire. They are also supposed to be being produced in Belgium and the Netherlands but those operations have run into issues. Britain ordered early and placed a large order. The incompetent EU dithered and massively under ordered and now need any excuse going to deflect from their total failure.

For “selfishly hogging” read placing large early orders for many different vaccines before any of them had actually been proven to work or gained regulatory approval. If the government had insufficient doses and clinics were closed then there would be plenty of complaining.

Clearly they should put the brain dead Life Coach to the back of the queue for inoculation and give that dose to someone in the EU. He does not want to participate in this scandalous “rushed rollout” so he can wait until everyone in Europe has had a jab.

 

It is not worth arguing with the numbers but I had read that we had ordered 360 million doses but there may be other vaccines missing from your list.

Try looking up Kate Bingham. The one you want is the venture capitalist within the pharmaceutical industry. In May 2020, Boris asked her to set up a Vaccine Task Force to circumvent the pointless bureaucracy of Whitehall and get on with finding a vaccine as time was of the essence.

The government’s Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, had realised that spreading the risk of vaccine procurement amongst numerous global providers was the best strategy.

The EU had a 27-country vaccine procurement process that we could have joined but Boris and his ministers saw signing up with the Brussels bureaucrats that we were on the verge of leaving as a bad compromise. How right that has proven.

It is certainly true that in vaccine contract negotiations, Britain did not secure the most cost effective deals but did secure delivery (cheaper vaccines are no good to the dead) and Bingham’s Task Force signed up early for big doses of Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/AstraZeneca. We have orders for more vaccine doses than we have people.

Britain is a leader in life sciences and we harnessed our expertise. Unheralded by popular media, it was Britain that contributed over £500m to Covax, the organisation that supports vaccination programs in the developing world.

The EU once advocated tariff and trade barrier free global supply chains for emergency medical supplies yet now that same EU is resorting to protectionism to deflect attention away from its own systematic failure. The silence from the Remainers lately is deafening: Europeans dying in the cause of political solidarity while Britain inoculates. Ursula von der Leyen issuing brooms not syringes to clinics making Boris Johnson look competent.

 

Enough of the personal insults, thanks

 

In my opinion, you are a brain dead idiot and your post demonstrated it. Clearly you disagree with my opinion.

 

That's fair enough, personally I disagree but keep it to yourself. Thanks

 

I didn't insult anyone.

 

If you’re going to have these rules regarding personal insults , at least be consistent , that guy from hull can’t help resort to inane insults to those who disagree with his diatribes

 

Fortunately some of us are not so thin skinned as to be offended by being referred to as “from hull” when we do not originate from the city or even the county.

I doubt that you will read much of this post as it consists of more than 160 characters in reasonable written English, so you will categorise it as ‘waffle’ or a ‘diatribe’. That does appear to be the consistent policy of the left-wing posters on here when presented with researched facts that disprove their failed ideological dogma.

This is the way that the Left is forced to operate. They have lost the ideological argument so there is no point to a debate that will demonstrate their inability to learn and adapt, which leaves the only option as denying any platform to anybody that they cannot brainwash to their worldview.

The Left are loving blaming the government for incompetence in an unplanned emergency in just the same way that the Right would be blaming their government for being even more incompetent if it were in charge. That is a sad state of affairs when what is actually needed is national unity not political tribalism.

Naturally you are personally irked because in the last few days I have pointed out your factual inaccuracy on a couple of occasions. You could try checking what you are posting before you submit it so that it is not taken literally when you mean something different.

I know a man who is a joiner. He and his wife live in a nice big house in the suburbs and have four grown up daughters. Demand for his skills has afforded him a comfortable lifestyle in which to raise a family. If I recall, you are a joiner living on an estate in North West Wales but clearly your joinery skills are not in such high demand or as well remunerated; and it seems that you consider this to be the fault of the rich and wealthy, especially if they inherited their position in society. This is commonly known as the politics of envy – everything is always somebody else’s fault, not your own. The only fair solution is to drag everyone else down to your level.

 

QM , what are you on ?


You measure success by big houses ? Of course i should realise by now , your only measure of a person is through wealth !
Without knowing people’s circumstances , how can you deduce anything about them?

You always compare concerns for others as some sort of failing, may be beyond your orbit, but there are many facets to life, not just the collection of material goods.