http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27289819 Is it the beginning of the end of the League system in England as we know it?
For **** sake why do they want to keep changing things. Leave the leagues how they are, nothing wrong with them. No teams shouldn't be able to have a "B" team like in spain because it will just benefit the big clubs, little teams wont be able to take young premier league stars on loan as they will be at the B club. The only thing that should be changed is 3 down from L1. 3 up from League 2. 3 down from league 2.
The FA can't instruct the Football league to do this as the Football league - EPL are different entities. The FA and EPL can bribe clubs though or threaten them with less TV money. BCFC have a poor record here voting with changes that are not for the greater good e.g. EPPP - Increasing parachute payments. B teams are operated in the Netherlands. Jong teams can feature first teamers if matches are off or an XI of U21's, but only get gates of only a few hundred, with no away fans on occasions and it DOES have an effect on results. It is not fair, but fair is not what football does.
Some European countries have B teams in the second league, eg Spain and Portugal. Their first teams will never be relegated from the Prem because there are only four or five strong teams in the Prem and the minnows are always at the bottom. The big difference as in Portugal is that the minnows only have gates of a lot less than 5,000. Football fans there follow the to four via television. Whereas in England we have over forty clubs regularly pulling in over 10,000 per match and others quite capable of doing so if successful. These proposals mean that all football fans forget their home town/city club and become armchair TV fans, thus channelling all the revenue to Sky, BT and the Premier League. Good bye local football clubs where Dads took their kids and every club and supporter could dream. It is only a sport after all. Not a business like oil drilling or drug research!
Cant see where this meets the purpose of the mission. ie To improve the England team.- It starts with young kids. I hear stories of some schools not allowing kids to play football in case they get hurt. Then there are games where parents have to be segregated at kids matches.Too many kids more interested in game boys as opposed to exercise. We have 3 kids in my close that are forever banging a ball against my wall. Just like I used to do when I was there age. Annoying as it is, I think its great to see them out in the street kicking a ball around. One of them is always practising and I will often give him encouragement rather than tell him to clear off. For those where a street may be too dangerous, you can usually kick around somewhere. I would walk over a mile to mates to kick around sometimes. Ultimately, there are too many foreign players at top level. EEC regs and money itself wont change that, so bringing in a tier 2 system is only going to make leagues like the one we play in, even less value than it currently is.
just the news teams in league 2 and non league want to hear. perfect timing for a relegated club to non league
Take out the bits concerning "B Teams" and ignore the fact that Rovers have gone down - would it make sense to merge League 2 and the Conference and make it North/South?
combine the league 2 24 teams and the conference 24 team together and then split them into south and north like they split them in the jpt, that would make travelling easier and saving the club some money in the long run. also more derbies and better attendances. i do like that idea to be honest. i just dont think prem teams should allow a B team to take a league teams place. not fair.
although i like the idea, how would it work if say teams in league 1 (as it is) 4 teams go down and say all 4 teams are from the north? they would drop into the north league meaning too many teams in that league as 4 cant go up from the north and then none from the south? im not sure how it works in the conference where 4 team gets relegated and 2 teams from conference north goes up and 2 from conference south goes up but if the 4 that goes down are all from the north or all from the south, that will effect the number of teams in the conference north and south. dont know how they work it.
With so many clubs operating tight budgets at that level, it does make sense. Saves clubs like Torquay and Exeter having to travel to places like Carlisle and Hartlepool.
teams in the midlands get shuffled around into either north or south to make it even If 4 northern teams got relegated then some teams in the midlands would move from the northern section into the southern Gloucester City are currently playing in the Northern section but if 4 northern teams get relegated then may will be moved into the southern section again hope that makes sense because it makes sense in my head
Again in most European countries, leagues from third tier are regional. Only in England do we have five national leagues where teams can have a round trip of nearly 600 miles for a fifth tier match. Thus if we followed that pattern, Leagues 1,2 and Conf would be North Midlands and South. But with just one up from each division to Championship would we want that? PS. I believe that the reason why Third South and North were merged into Three Four in 1960 was because as only one team went up and reelection for one team at the bottom, the competitive nature of the two regional divisions was non existent. Of the 24 teams as many as 20 had nothing to play for, for the last month of the season. So turning regional into Three and Four added more competition to the leagues. The same would happen again if we had three regional leagues each with only one up to Championship.
In the days of Third South and Third North there were always anomolies such as Notts County in Third South. It will always happen with lower leagues split into regions.
Man City will just buy a second team. Coincidently they've just been fined £50 million for breaching FFP rules.
The FA want to improve the National team and the way to do this, in their mind, is to allow home grown players more competitive playing time. The EPL have too many squad players who don't get a regular game and this proposal would help alleviate their boredom...there's only so many time a day you can look at your bank statement and think how lucky you are. As for the rest of us, they don't give a flying f#ck. The EPL is killing the game for both the national team and the lower league teams. They are driven by money, money and money. Period.
Why is there always some dope ,or group of them, who believe they have all the answers for the future of football? I know things are not what they should be for the smaller clubs especially when you understand what is needed to survive in these tough times. I know I left the country 40 years ago and might have lost touch with the day to day happenings in the Football League but it appears to me that everything today is about the top clubs and to hell with the base of our footballing pyramid. The advent of foreign ownership, here I go again, coupled with the ridiculous monies paid to player from overseas who really don't give a toss about anything other than their own greedy agendas are the root causes of the erosion of the system, and probably the reason behind some fool coming up with this revitalisation programme. Quite simply there are no easy answers to the current problems eating away at he core of the game and unless someone comes up with a workable plan there will be many teams going to the wall. The last thing we need is a "B" system whereby the top teams have their reserves playing at a lower league level competing against teams that are struggling to survive and players that are trying to improve their lot in the football pyramid. If you want to take anything from the major European leagues then you only have to look at their national success which is based, in my belief, on the fact that there are few foreign players plying their trade in their top leagues. The game of football has always been based on local teams playing local players who dreamed of one day putting on an England shirt, but then those were the days when dreams were still alive and kicking. Today's game seems to be all about money, greed and lack of commitment and if the suggestions are implemented fully then I fear for the future, and can only remember the way it was when any team could win anything before it became a corporate wilderness with betting everywhere in the game. I await with baited breath to see what happens next and I would have thought that the listed members of this commission would have more insight in what is required to make the game more sustainable for all teams and not just the chosen ones. End of rant.
please log in to view this image B teams would ruin the football league which is very well supported would anyone want to watch Chelsea reserves in a league game? to improve the England team more English players need to play for that to happen we need less foreigners in the prem and more funding across the country for the youngsters
Some of the teams in L1 and below would probably welcome regional leagues. The smallest clubs like Torquay (alas also a league club no more) having to travel to somewhere such as Hartlepool for a game watched by around 3,000 people and all of the travelling/accommodation costs that go with it for both clubs over the course of a season make it totally unsustainable at that level. More so for Hartlepool having so many teams in the South like Plymouth, Exeter, (Torquay), Portsmouth, (Rovers) Newport, Cheltenham, Oxford etc. Even in L1, the likes of Crewe, Crawley (Stevenage) and co must be struggling with small gates and huge travelling costs
