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Kempton tiger said:
I am not sure how we change the mindset of those who won't work but maybe go along the lines of other countries where benefit amounts are based on previous employment or benefits expire after a certain time. We would certainly see more crime and homelessness but it may in future years change that mindset and people will realise they must work or lose benefits.
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I don't know, KT - as was mentioned, there's a generational mindset of not working for many reasons. A sure way of fixing it is long term training from young age - regular meals, decent father figures, training courses, extra lessons, being shown that life can been successful. Problem is that it's a long term investment and governments tend not to like long term projects that won't show fruition for a decade or more, plus funding is continually cut to save money.

The blame of stabbings being put on lack of youth facilities is mocked, but youth clubs/sports clubs often provides many kids with their only exposure to good role models.

It's a complex answer to solve it.
 
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Trumpton Tiger. said:
Some years ago HCC were selling some 'run down' properties on NHE. I don't know what was wrong with them but quite a few became available all down the same avenue. The council invited bids, I put one in, my intention was to buy one for one of my kids. We are talking of less than £10k each in those days, which was par for the course for the housing market then to be successful. My bid went in, all funded, and I wasn't successful. I never actually spoke face to face with anyone, it was all done and decided on, matter of factually by a short letter.
In fact all of the available houses were sold for less each than I had bid, to a property developer, of which one of John Prestcott's lads had an, if not sole interest in. The reason given was the property developer had the funds to refurbish them all to a particular standard, what ever?
The sale never made any headlines any where and went through almost under the radar.
My in laws bought their council house on NHE with help of the tenants discount scheme. When they were admitted to a care home in later life, they had to sell the house to pay for their care, everyone else in the place avoided any costs because they were still renting. Swings and roundabouts.
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Take a look at what you could have bought for less than 6 million.

The North Hull Housing Action Trust (Transfer of Property) Order 1992

This Order vests in the North Hull Housing Action Trust the housing and other land specified in the Schedule to the Order which is currently vested in the council of the City of Kingston upon Hull (article 3). It also sets the financial terms of the transfer (article 4). The property is in the...
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk
 
balkan tiger said:
Take a look at what you could have bought for less than 6 million.

The North Hull Housing Action Trust (Transfer of Property) Order 1992

This Order vests in the North Hull Housing Action Trust the housing and other land specified in the Schedule to the Order which is currently vested in the council of the City of Kingston upon Hull (article 3). It also sets the financial terms of the transfer (article 4). The property is in the...
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk
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That's a lot of property. Wonder who much it works our per house. Many are semi detached with D/G, C/H, gardens and many of them have relatively new roofs.
 
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Heimdallr said:
The problem is that, for many reasons, there are a percentage of ppl who can't and won't work - many of those on long term benefits simply can't hold employment and firms don't want them. Remove their housing and benefits and you'll see a rise in crime and homelessness. It's always been this way - a certain percentage can't do normal life.

It's no different to when pensioners say that violent kids should do national service in the army - it doesn't work as they can't be disciplined and spend the time on the run or in military prison... Plus no decent soldier will want to be alongside someone who doesn't want to be there.

It's difficult to retrain ppl into working life if all theyve seen is unemployment and life on support. I don't know the answer, but a hard stop will result in chaos.
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And what you’re getting now is young people who can’t work or only want to do 16 hours as they have anxiety adhd autism

A lady friend runs a garden centre with a cafe and she’s at her wits end as can’t get full time staff in sufficient numbers as they all want part time and they go sick constantly as their anxiety is soooooo bad today
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
And what you’re getting now is young people who can’t work or only want to do 16 hours as they have anxiety adhd autism

A lady friend runs a garden centre with a cafe and she’s at her wits end as can’t get full time staff in sufficient numbers as they all want part time and they go sick constantly as their anxiety is soooooo bad today
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In a few years time, those same youngsters will be complaining they can't get on the property ladder.....
 
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djsowtz said:
The prices up here are getting ridiculous. I can get 390 a month towards housing while I get back on my feet, but I can't actually get anything. Even in Dumbarton/Clydebank and really not nice areas and flats, its 700 a month. Down in W Yorks where I was also looking, prices are similar, but I can get 670 a month. I can't get a house through the housing association (I've been on the list for over a year), because they are saying I made myself "intentionally homeless", I was in no danger at my previous property and should have squatted. So I'm sofa surfing and living in my car, even with a job, I'm over £400 a month short if I managed to get a private let (that's just bills, no treats). Even living in my car, I'm still nearly 200 a month short.
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The Council up my way said that my middle Daughter had made herself 'intentionally homeless' and wouldn't entertain her.(Had a flat of her own but couldn't afford the mortgage when 'it' ****ed off,tried to keep going but simply couldn't afford it and was forced to sell).

Approached Sanctuary Housing and she had a flat within a fortnight.Somebody had been in it for about a year since it was built and had left it in immaculate condition and the bloke from sanctuary said he'd leave the flooring down as it was spotless(they're not supposed to).Even offered her assistance with white goods which she declined but she's got it lovely.

Off the top of my head the rents circa £500 and factor fees are about £60 but she gets a fair bit of help via Universal Credit.

Have you tried Sanctuary?
 
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First step is that the ‘benefit’ rate should be pro rata less than the minimum wage per hour Met a senior housing guy recently from the Lothians who informed me that a big private housing developer got a scheme granted if they would include 20 houses for challenged tenants . The houses had a value of £400k each advertised . Unfortunately they put them all in one block and the tenants have sometimes 3 or 4 generations living in them. , a good number of needy immigrant families also . In this one development the block has become a ‘slum’ of uncared for properties and a group of feral kids have caused havoc across the estate , jumping on cars etc . There’s a lot of unhappy residents as these houses are paid for by the authorities . The guy also had to deal with these tenants being unhappy in these free houses because the kitchen units are a colour they don’t like !
Maybe they should have scattered the houses around the site to reduce the potential of problems .
This is not GB news this is from the horses mouth .
 
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Trumpton Tiger. said:
That's a lot of property. Wonder who much it works our per house. These are all semi detached with D/G, C/H, gardens and many of them have relatively new roofs.
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To be fair this deal was done a fair way back and there was a lot of improvement done after the purchase. On the other hand it's a whole lot of land too.

Hopefully it indicates how the council gets a bump up in their finances from the sale once but they are not getting years and years of rental income.
 
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Is it right that a family of four on universal credit will pay £107 pounds LESS than a working family to visit the tower of London?

Seems to be all over twitter and Facebook.
 
Howdentiger2 said:
Stop the benefits, if you're of working age and can work then you get a window of help 6-8months, then if you don't work you get nothing.
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How do you get 1.84 million people into 690,000 jobs ?
And how is It going to get any better with more and more Ai and robotics ?
They need to tax the actual software and robotics based on their productivity .
Working class people seem to think that the whole problem with the country is other working class people they rarely mention the vast sums that channel their way to the top and into offshore investments and accounts .
The top 0.01% gave more wealth than the bottom 40% and will never ever spend it.There is even some millionaires saying tax our wealth yet Mavis and Frank down the street are to blame :emoticon-0145-shake :emoticon-0145-shake
 
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Edelman said:
How do you get 1.84 million people into 690,000 jobs ?
And how is It going to get any better with more and more Ai and robotics ?
They need to tax the actual software and robotics based on their productivity .
Working class people seem to think that the whole problem with the country is other working class people they rarely mention the cast sums that channel their way to the top and into offshore investments and accounts .
The top 0.01% gave more wealth than the bottom 40% yet Mavis and Frank down the street are to blame :emoticon-0145-shake :emoticon-0145-shake
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More productive society will increase the job availability, more money in people's pockets equals them spending more which again equals more jobs.

The top 0.01% create jobs, create businesses, which in turn creates a huge tax purse for the governments they also pay huge amounts of taxes personally ( yes some legally avoid paying more then the minimum, which I don't blame them at all )

If Mavis and Frank down the street are lazy, bone idle and work shy then yes they are a drain on the system, not a contributor and they should get the absolute bar minimum
 
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Edelman said:
How do you get 1.84 million people into 690,000 jobs ?
And how is It going to get any better with more and more Ai and robotics ?
They need to tax the actual software and robotics based on their productivity .
Working class people seem to think that the whole problem with the country is other working class people they rarely mention the vast sums that channel their way to the top and into offshore investments and accounts .
The top 0.01% gave more wealth than the bottom 40% and will never ever spend it.There is even some millionaires saying tax our wealth yet Mavis and Frank down the street are to blame :emoticon-0145-shake :emoticon-0145-shake
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If there are some millionaires saying "Tax our wealth" then it's got nothing to do with Mavis and Frank down the street.

The blame lies squarely with the person responsible for not following their plea.
 
Edelman said:
How do you get 1.84 million people into 690,000 jobs ?
And how is It going to get any better with more and more Ai and robotics ?
They need to tax the actual software and robotics based on their productivity .
Working class people seem to think that the whole problem with the country is other working class people they rarely mention the vast sums that channel their way to the top and into offshore investments and accounts .
The top 0.01% gave more wealth than the bottom 40% and will never ever spend it.There is even some millionaires saying tax our wealth yet Mavis and Frank down the street are to blame :emoticon-0145-shake :emoticon-0145-shake
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Everyone who blags the system rich , middle class or poor is a culprit . I make no excuses because I worked and paid all my dues and accepted it as my responsibility . I remember back in the 80’s recession we had about 3 mill unemployed which considered at least half of them as never to be employed due to disability , idleness addiction etc .
I’ve fallen out in the past with a family member who’d never really worked for a commercial company and couldn’t comprehend my antipathy towards tax avoidance/ reduction - if you are PAYE you have no choice . Remember also there’s an awful lot of tradesmen out there who want cash for work , do you reckon they declare everything ? Lots of small business self employed people get their accountants to ‘claim’ and offset tax liabilities and do very well
40 years ago there weren’t many tradesmen vans in the drives of houses in Hulls best suburbs , now bosses of small companies use them and pickups for work to get free fuel and ‘travel’ and they now live in the smarter streets . It’s not just the rich is it ?
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
Depends where you live whether or not you can visit Hull museums for 'nowt'...It would cost me £70-£80 in Railfares.

You set em up,I'll bang em home:emoticon-0148-yes:
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Deportees like yourself are welcome to move to Hull, just show your passport at Beverley Gate. Although if I'm there you may get an 'Hotham'. :emoticon-0138-think


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
 
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