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More productive society will increase the job availability, more money in people's pockets equals them spending more which again equals more jobs.

The top 0.01% create jobs, create businesses, which in turn creates a huge tax purse for the governments they also pay huge amounts of taxes personally ( yes some legally avoid paying more then the minimum, which I don't blame them at all )

If Mavis and Frank down the street are lazy, bone idle and work shy then yes they are a drain on the system, not a contributor and they should get the absolute bar minimum
Like I've said you are looking at it through the eyes of the super wealthy .How is money hidden away in offshore accounts that will never be spent creating anything but more wealth for account holder .
 
How do you get 1.84 million people into 690,000 jobs ?
And how is It going to get any better with more and more Ai and robotics ?
They need to tax the actual software and robotics based on their productivity .
Working class people seem to think that the whole problem with the country is other working class people they rarely mention the vast sums that channel their way to the top and into offshore investments and accounts .
The top 0.01% gave more wealth than the bottom 40% and will never ever spend it.There is even some millionaires saying tax our wealth yet Mavis and Frank down the street are to blame :emoticon-0145-shake :emoticon-0145-shake
They’re not really working-class though. Karl Marx himself called them ‘lumpenproletariat’. The long-term unemployed, petty criminals, protitutes, drug dealers and users etc. Marx despised them and thought they were social parasites who produced nothing of value and didn’t have a sense of community or class solidarity.
 
They’re not really working-class though. Karl Marx himself called them ‘lumpenproletariat’. The long-term unemployed, petty criminals, protitutes, drug dealers and users etc. Marx despised them and thought they were social parasites who produced nothing of value and didn’t have a sense of community or class solidarity.

Did he force them to work in Wonka's chocolate factory?
 
Deportees like yourself are welcome to move to Hull, just show your passport at Beverley Gate. Although if I'm there you may get an 'Hotham'. :emoticon-0138-think


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Stick a bit of cheese on it between 2 slice of Warburton seeded and I'll take you up on your offer...
 
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Some years ago HCC were selling some 'run down' properties on NHE. I don't know what was wrong with them but quite a few became available all down the same avenue. The council invited bids, I put one in, my intention was to buy one for one of my kids. We are talking of less than £10k each in those days, which was par for the course for the housing market then to be successful. My bid went in, all funded, and I wasn't successful. I never actually spoke face to face with anyone, it was all done and decided on, matter of factually by a short letter.
In fact all of the available houses were sold for less each than I had bid, to a property developer, of which one of John Prestcott's lads had an, if not sole interest in. The reason given was the property developer had the funds to refurbish them all to a particular standard, what ever?
The sale never made any headlines any where and went through almost under the radar.
My in laws bought their council house on NHE with help of the tenants discount scheme. When they were admitted to a care home in later life, they had to sell the house to pay for their care, everyone else in the place avoided any costs because they were still renting. Swings and roundabouts.
There was actually a big fuss about this at the time, amid claims of dodgy dealings and John Prescott insisted on an investigation by the Department of Environment auditors to prove no wrongdoing, which it did (though there were bids for individual houses that were higher than the amount they paid, the total they offered for all the houses, was more than the bids received for the houses individually).

It turned up to be not that good a deal, as the renovation costs were way more than they budgeted for and they went bust half way through renovating them.
 
There was actually a big fuss about this at the time, amid claims of dodgy dealings and John Prescott insisted on an investigation by the Department of Environment auditors to prove no wrongdoing, which it did (though there were bids for individual houses that were higher than the amount they paid, the total they offered for all the houses, was more than the bids received for the houses individually).

It turned up to be not that good a deal, as the renovation costs were way more than they budgeted for and they went bust half way through renovating them.
There were 25 properties advertised for tender and only two bids for them all were received, one for £1 per property and Wyke who offered £5000. The properties had no internals. They were just shells. At the time the market value for fully renovated houses on the estate was £20k. It appears that Wyke, in the end only took 18 of them on. The HAT not only ran out of funding to complete them, it ran out of time to correct the underlying faults in each of the properties.
 
There were 25 properties advertised for tender and only two bids for them all were received, one for £1 per property and Wyke who offered £5000. The properties had no internals. They were just shells. At the time the market value for fully renovated houses on the estate was £20k. It appears that Wyke, in the end only took 18 of them on. The HAT not only ran out of funding to complete them, it ran out of time to correct the underlying faults in each of the properties.

No wonder Trumpton didn't get one then if he only offered a £1
 
There were 25 properties advertised for tender and only two bids for them all were received, one for £1 per property and Wyke who offered £5000. The properties had no internals. They were just shells. At the time the market value for fully renovated houses on the estate was £20k. It appears that Wyke, in the end only took 18 of them on. The HAT not only ran out of funding to complete them, it ran out of time to correct the underlying faults in each of the properties.
I worked with a guy who lived in North Bransholme .
He came to work one day and said I don't know what to do .
Me and his son said about what ?
He said I've got the chance to buy my house for £3,000 and we said how much is the rent .
Over £200 per month he said I've got the £3,000 in the bank .
I said are u seriously pondering about that .
He went home and told them he would buy it
At the same time they where selling some of the one bed bungalows for £750 it was bonkers prices
 
I worked with a guy who lived in North Bransholme .
He came to work one day and said I don't know what to do .
Me and his son said about what ?
He said I've got the chance to buy my house for £3,000 and we said how much is the rent .
Over £200 per month he said I've got the £3,000 in the bank .
I said are u seriously pondering about that .
He went home and told them he would buy it
At the same time they where selling some of the one bed bungalows for £750 it was bonkers prices
I seem to remember that Hull had a massive surplus of council owned housing. You could get a flat on OPE if you said that you were engaged.
Wasn’t it possible to buy a new house on Kingswood for less than the council charged for rent or have I got it wrong?
 
I seem to remember that Hull had a massive surplus of council owned housing. You could get a flat on OPE if you said that you were engaged.
Wasn’t it possible to buy a new house on Kingswood for less than the council charged for rent or have I got it wrong?
You have it wrong.
 
No wonder Trumpton didn't get one then if he only offered a £1
My offer was not £1, I cannot remember exactly how much it was but it was certainly not one pound, It was less then £10k, because I didn't have that sort of money, and it will have been one that was close to the market value at the time, in my opinion, for that sort of house. Doesn't matter now anyhow. The impression I got at the time was that i could have offered way above the market value and I still wouldn't have got one because I was told the batch, of the one I bid on, had been sold to one company/individual and they have the funds to refurbish them. How they assumed that I didn't remains a mystery because no-one ever spoke face to face with me.
 
You have it wrong.
There was a discount of some sort for new builds on Kingswood which I thought was unfair at the time. Was it VAT free or no stamp duty? I thought it was unfair at the time because I had just bought a house in HU6, not too far away from Kingswood, and no such discount applied to mine.
Sure someone will put me right, and probably say I'm wrong....
 
I seem to remember that Hull had a massive surplus of council owned housing. You could get a flat on OPE if you said that you were engaged.
Wasn’t it possible to buy a new house on Kingswood for less than the council charged for rent or have I got it wrong?
You could get an apartment in the 90s for £18,000 or a 2 bed semi for just over£30,000 so probably
 
Like I've said you are looking at it through the eyes of the super wealthy .How is money hidden away in offshore accounts that will never be spent creating anything but more wealth for account holder .

No I'm looking at it through the eyes of someone whos sick to death of lazy, bone idle scroungers doing absolutely nothing but waltzing through life with a sense of entitlement and expecting to be funded by the people who go out and graft. If you are of a working age and can work then get out and work. If you choose not to then you get nothing and if that doesn't motivate them to go work then I'm sorry....let them sink. Or if we still have to fund them, then make them work for their ( sorry our ) money. Get them working for local councils, clean/repair the community, help the elderly, work in charity shops, there is tons they could do and all of it would give them skills, experience etc to help them get a job they prefer.

The UK benefit gravy train just needs to stop for everyone bar those who genuinely have no choice.

As for the rich having money in offshore accounts, fantastic, well done. If it's legal and above board. Not a single one of us would pay more tax then we have to, especially in this country and as for it not creating anything.... behave, to get that money they have ( for the most part and not in every case I get that ) created 100's if not 1000's of direct and indirect jobs, bringing people opportunity, wages, growth, wealth and security. Plus not to mention the £1000000s all that creates for the economy and in turn tax receipts for the government to waste, sorry spend
 
There was a discount of some sort for new builds on Kingswood which I thought was unfair at the time. Was it VAT free or no stamp duty? I thought it was unfair at the time because I had just bought a house in HU6, not too far away from Kingswood, and no such discount applied to mine.
Sure someone will put me right, and probably say I'm wrong....
In the early 90s house sales ground to a halt so there was various schemes available can't remember what .
I know builders where offering big discounts and that's when they really started including things like carpets .
Also 5% deposit paid .
 
You couldn’t buy for less than council rent.
You are wrong there was literally schemes all over the place to sell houses .
Deposit paid,help towards mortgage for 2 years so he IS CORRECT what he says and you don't know best .
 
You are wrong there was literally schemes all over the place to sell houses .
Deposit paid,help towards mortgage for 2 years so he IS CORRECT what he says and you don't know best .
I worked in insurance then dealing with mortgages. The original post said you could buy a house on
Kingswood when it was built for less than council rent. You couldn’t.