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The Angry Bristolian: Outsiders Are Ruining Bristol..

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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Nothing makes the Angry Bristolian crosser than "outsiders" holding back the development of Bristol


    An occasional column written by the Angry Bristolian.

    I don't know if anyone has realised it yet, but we face another tricky vote in Bristol in May.

    I'm aware that for some of you, having to make another decision so soon after weighing up whether to keep the hideous bottle of undrinkable spirit Auntie Janet bought you for Christmas, or feed it to next door's plants, is a bit tiring. Nonetheless it's true.

    On May 22 we get to participate in the charming but largely pointless exercise of voting in a third of the council wards, which takes away the pleasure of wiping whichever party is annoying us the most off the political map. That is denied us until 2016.

    In the past local elections followed a very simple pattern. The posh people in the inner city suburbs would vote Lib Dem, the council estates would return Labour members, and the very rich people living on the edge of the city would ensure a gaggle of Tories survived at the top table.

    But we're in new territory now.

    Say what you like about George Ferguson (and plenty of people do), the number of votes cast in the mayoral election may have been derisory compared to the city's overall population, but they sent a signal to the main parties.

    They were saying because of your efforts in ruining Bristol's public transport, its roads, your hand-wringing on the sidelines as our sporting facilities and large venues become laughing stocks, and your inability to grasp investment opportunities when they stare you in the face, we're trying something new.

    As a lifelong Labour voter, I wish I could say the party took heed of the two fingers the electorate showed them, but the immediate post-election posturing where they refused to take any seats in Ferguson's cabinet, continues today.

    This is assuming that the least funny spoof account on Twitter (RedPantsMayor) is the work of someone in Bristol who supports Labour. If it's not, then my mother's Banksy.

    So now, come May, if you live in a ward where the only logical choice is between the Lib Dems or Labour, it's a bit like choosing between being punched in the gut or kicked in the face.

    For example. Hengrove Play Park was under threat because of council cuts.

    Like superman without any of the special powers, Lib Dem councillor Tim Kent sped to the scene.

    And so, plastered across the Post and other media, we had pictures of Kent looking earnest.

    We also had to swallow shots of five year-olds holding Socialist Worker placards aimed at the mayor. (I wonder how many children asked their parents on the way home if Socialist Worker was a new character in Peppa Pig.)

    Two things about this.

    Firstly, the cuts we face in Bristol are passed down to us from the government. A government made possible by the Lib Dems getting into bed with the Tories.

    Secondly, it takes some big brass balls for the Lib Dems to make a song and dance about a play park being under threat.

    This is the party, let us not forget, that was going to sell off green spaces all across the city not so long ago, sparking the sort of cross-city anger not seen since Blackthorn tinkered with their flavours.

    So maybe you put the Lib Dems and Labour to one side. Let's assume the Tories haven't put a credible candidate up where you live because it's not worth their while. This opens the door to the Greens, or an independent.

    The Greens seemed to be slowly adding a new colour to the make-up of the city council, but what's happening in Horfield might set their revolution back a few years.

    I'm no Bristol Rovers fan, but an avid follower of the new sport in this city, known as "whose stadium development can be dragged out the longest?"

    Daniella Radice leads the Greens, and if I may say so, is getting some bad advice from somewhere.

    "I'm not anti-stadium" she says repeatedly. That doesn't really work I'm afraid Daniella.

    The bulldozers would already be clearing the site for the new Gas stadium at Frenchay if the judicial review bid hadn't been made.

    The local people had been asked, the planning application had been considered, the democratic process had been followed. It was a done deal.

    The only thing holding it up is you and your group who can't take "no" for an answer.

    The question is often asked: "Why does nothing get done in Bristol?"

    Call me territorial, but it's largely due to people who move here from elsewhere.

    We all know why they do it. If you're living and working in some character-free hovel like Milton Keynes or Reading, then Bristol is a golden paradise of hills, nice pubs, quirky shops and tall ships in the harbour.

    We Bristolians don't mind you coming here. In fact we're quite proud you chose our little city and rave about it to your friends back home.

    But don't then come here and hold it back.

    Too many developments flounder because people think they're moving to some rural market town, when in fact they're moving to a city whose urban sprawl contains a million people.

    Gloucestershire County Cricket Club had to clear more hurdles than Colin Jackson when they tried to rebuild their ground.

    They managed it in the end, but not before missing out on some one-day internationals.

    And where is the county ground? Slap bang in the middle of nappy valley, on the edge of Bishopston and St Andrew's, the places that Guardian readers from Clapham and Hammersmith have sweaty dreams about.

    In the same way that people move to the countryside and then try and prosecute the local farmer because of the smell of manure, these characters want the benefits of living in a city, such as a choice of herbal teas and artisan bakeries, but God forbid any of the local professional sports teams show any ambition.

    You can hear the musings over mocachinos on any cafe in Redland or Southville. Why can't these ghastly sports teams just all play in the same stadium, somewhere like Avonmouth where we'll never have to look at their supporters or hear their hilarious accents. (Oh, but I'm wearing a 'Gurt Lush' T-shirt because it's somehow ironic).

    What does it matter anyway, you might say. Rovers are useless and City aren't much better. Why do they need new grounds when they can't fill their curren ones?

    We've got the Balloon Fiesta, the Southville Arts Trail and Temple Meads is going to get a lick of paint in the next couple of years. Sporting failure doesn't matter because we're ever so good at all this other stuff.

    I'll tell you why it matters.

    Thousands - no, tens of thousands - of Bristolians identify themselves by their sporting allegiances, or which sports they play.

    And yet another section of the city's population, which has largely come in from outside, would rather all this horrid kick-ball and rugger went away. (Except the Six Nations on the telly, and the Spanish football highlights on a Sunday night.)

    Both our football clubs are in a poor state at the moment. Agreed.

    But what do we see elsewhere? Swansea, who used to be regular opponents of Rovers once, established in the Premier League, with an exciting young foreign coach.

    What factors propelled Swansea from the fourth division all the way through to the top?

    A new stadium would be near the top of the list. Michael Laudrup would, I imagine, have thought the Vetch Field - Swansea's old stadium - was some sort of cruel joke.

    Let's pick another club who were in the Premier League last year - Reading.

    They, like Swansea, used to be regular visitors to both the Mem and Ashton Gate. And in another coincidence, play in a new, modern stadium.

    You only have to go back to the mid 1990s to find Reading playing in the run-down surroundings of their old stadium - Elm Park - in front of crowds of between 4-6,000, about what Rovers get now. Their average attendance last season was around 24,000.

    Maybe you hate football. Even if you do, the sporting heritage of this city is very important to the rest of us.

    We don't stop your graffiti festivals, your myriad identikit (and yet apparently alternative) cafes and your gentrification of most of Bristol's old boozers.

    But in return, it would be nice if you acknowledged that Bristol isn't just for people who skateboard to work, think that crap Banksy rip-offs on North Street are worth cooing over, and that cardigans and berets are a good look on a grown man.

    This is our city as much as it is yours. And much as you'd like us to stay in the estates and not spoil the scenery, our hopes and dreams are just as important as yours.

    **The Angry Bristolian lives in Brislington.


    Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Angry-...tory-20464919-detail/story.html#ixzz2qswW6vpJ
     
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  2. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    He's spot on. If you look at the replies in the comments it sums up the selfish ****ers opinion of the City they live in.
     
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  3. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Why vote the outsiders in,Bristols voters need to vote in local folk,i lambasted the dick head charlie boulton a outsider not a bristolion, who was at the forefront of blocking AV.

    Bristol folk need to think long and hard when voting politicians in.

    Does not matter who your allegiance is with,you need local born and bred Bristolions,not these from out of the area who have moved in here.

    The vast majority need to stand up city and rovers need to get together,get fans from both clubs united in getting these two stadiums that are a must for Bristol football to move on.
     
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  4. BrightredRickster

    BrightredRickster Well-Known Member

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    Might I suggest its not about 'outsiders' moving in, but about the individual.

    Some outsiders understand the plot and contribute towards the greater good, and not all the right-on, arse brigade are from London or Birmingham - some are from Brislington, Somerset, Clifton, Cotham, Redland and Gloucestershire, and Wiltshire/Dorset/Westury-on-Trym.
    Its naive to think otherwise.

    Take my dear old Dad as an example.
    He grew up at the end of the road from Highbury and worshipped Herbert Chapman in the 30s, while playing as a flying winger for Islington schoolboys - the breeding ground for Arsenal players of the time. Unfortunately his career ended before it had begun, broken legs from falling out of a tree.
    In the 60s my folks moved to Weston, and I reached school age. My Dad decided it was time for my real education, and he took me to my first footy match. It was a 0-0 draw between City and Birmingham, and I will remember the day for the rest of my life. We supported City right through the glory days and beyond, rarely missing a match HOME OR AWAY. When City were desperate to sell season tickets to keep our best two players, my Dad was first in the queue, and when Gillies scored that memorable goal at Elland Road to end the rule of the great Leeds Utd, he ran down and back up the stand, roaring and pulling out his teeth.
    He cared passionately about Bristol City, as he did about the whole area, and was never shy to voice his displeasure at the backwards, provincial thinking of politicians and frightened people of authority in those days.
    My Dad was an 'outsider'. He was never really embraced by people in the area because he came from London, but I put it to you that he contributed more than many to Weston, and to the football club.
    I find the attitude of people who shun 'outsiders' as offensive on his behalf. and I say this.
    If you contribute half to Bristol City of what that man did, then you will have presumably enough common sense to see the wisdom and errors in your philosophy.

    Its not the outsiders that are the problem.
    Its the insiders you want to pick on, and they can come from ANYWHERE
     
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  5. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    As Billy Connolly once said. The desire to be a politician should be enough to prevent you from ever becoming one


    None of the political parties are credible and the greens are probably more anti stadium than any of them.
     
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  6. RedorDead

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    Good to see the comments transcended into arguments between City and Rovers <laugh>

    I was speaking to my mum yesterday about the Cardiff v Bristol infrastructure's. She then told me that she has seen a few gigs at Ashton Gate and her comments were that the crowd just didn't seem to participate into the concert. Compared to Cardiff the spectators / fans participate. Could be down to acts sorry I've not been to any of them to really comment so just relaying her opinion.

    We can blame the outsiders all we like but some outsiders like BRR say want to contribute more to Bristol than true Bristolians.

    The harsh truth is as my mum and step father (stinking Gashead) says Bristol is just not a sport supportive City. Even history will tell you that fans figures for Bristol is appalling Birmingham have 5 clubs with only one of them smaller crowds than us but possibly more than Rovers. The other 4 have big crowds but only two are prem teams. We can say WHEN we was in the old first division we had 30k fans but that just demonstrates that 20k was made up of away fans and people who went because of who we was playing. They turned their support off once the good times went, to leave it to us on here etc to support us back so they can return singing " City Till I die" .

    We all want Rovers and us to have these new gleaming homes on here or do we? How many people on this board could not care if Rovers get their ground and will laugh if it falls through? And how many on the Rovers board would be the same? How many of both of us say we won't share with them as it will destroy our history but would happily move to AV with no history?

    The one solution for us all to get on and build a new ground with no complaints from Nimby's or councils. Keep rugby at the Mem (their fans would prefer that) Sell our ground to Sainsbury's all planning approved and put our money into UWE as a joint enterprise with the Rovers. It's the only one of the two grounds that if both are to be built, will hold concerts excellent rail links and road links. AV will be more difficult to get to so given the choice promoters would chose UWE.

    So there's a question to you all. Would you share or are we really just thinking about our own clubs and not the City of Bristol?
     
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  7. Red Robin

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    Some good points in there ROD,however back in the day look how many fans packed Ashton Gate 40.50 thousand that is proper crowds,the problem being over the last thirty odd years nothing has really improved at Bristol City.

    LOOK at your Swansea Cardiff,Readings,Hulls of the world all built new grounds have had success and the crowds have gone up big time.

    Why city and Rovers do not get together and really show these backwater nimbys what a massive amount of people want here in Bristol is beyond me.

    Can you Imagine the Newcastle,Leeds,Machester,The London clubs,sitting back and accepting what a few say of the majority of course not.

    If we want it then Bristolions need to stand up and show their feelings toward the few who are stopping it.
     
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  8. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    "back in the day look how many fans packed Ashton Gate 40.50 thousand that is proper crowds,the problem being over the last thirty odd years nothing has really improved at Bristol City"

    And that was before the 'Chingford set' moved here. RR that is the only time you have said something I agree with.! Well done keep it up..;)
     
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    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    It was interesting to see that blokes classmates Aunt earns $84 an hour just using her laptop. he's never mentioned that in those comments before?? ;);)
     
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  10. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Our crowds have dropped over recent years but it's not hard to see why.
    In the 70's in the 2nd division (now the Championship) we were probably averaging around 14,000 per game but as promition neared this increased to around 19,000 per game and was often into 20,000 plus rising to just under 28,000 when we beat Portsmouth to go up
    A successful City in the Championship would at least match 16,000 and above as we proved in our first season back there in 2007/8
     
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    I spoke to her aunt it's true, I've sent 10k to find out how she done it <whistle>
     
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  12. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    I will too then, thanks..
     
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    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    <smooch> All in good humour old chap :emoticon-0150-hands
     
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    I said in another thread that a politician could probably guarantee themselves most of the votes if their main platform was one based on ensuring two new stadiums and a full-size arena. I still believe that this could be true, and if someone were to step forward and say that they would fight to get all three built I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.
     
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