Stewart Donald says he doesn’t expect Didier Ndong, Bryan Oviedo, Lamine Kone or Papy Djilobodji to play for the club again.The quartet have revealed they want to leave the Black Cats this summer after the club were relegated to League One. READ MORE: Stewart Donald reveals state of play on bids for strikers Donald told Roker Report there has been interest in most of them, but wages and personal terms could be an issue with them. On Ndong, he said: “There is interest from four or five clubs and they are all very close to the valuation. “There’s been an increase in interest in Oviedo. Brugges expressed an interest but I don’t think they can afford him. "There’s a German club and a French club who have shown an interest now. “Kone, there’s interest in but not at our valuation. With Djilobodji, it’s quite quiet. “I don’t think we’ll see them in a Sunderland shirt again so it becomes a financial transaction.” Djilobodji and Ndong have refused to return to training, and as such the club has stopped paying their wages. Kone is back at the Academy of Light, but is training away from the first team while Oviedo is due back on Wearside next week after his World Cup exertions with Costa Rica.
Not racist, xenophobic perhaps. Not convinced that's fair when you consider the likes of Rodwell; comparably they've been fine, at least they played and/or went out on loan. They are looking to move on and hopefully the club can get a fee. There's very little loyalty in football at all whether foreign or British; lets face it if you get promoted twice are the fans likely to be saying "lets stick with these players who got us out the mire" or are they likely to be eyeing up the best prospects available throughout Europe/ the world. It's a bilateral lack of trust or loyalty which the clubs and fans feed into as much as the players. Kone and Djilibodji do seem especially dense though. Oviedo I thought was still putting in a shift for you guys late on last season.
Well it's not xenophobic, I have no deep rooted fear off people from overseas or from different cultures. I'm certainly not racist. Think it lands under Precious PC crew tbh.
Very few compare to Rodwell, certainly as far as SAFC is concerned. Someone on here suggested that those who cant find a club should start putting themselves in the window by giving their best to us this season, surely if they want any sort of career this would be the sensible way to go. I agree with your lack of loyalty and trust theory though.
It seems to be only players who can’t see that playing good and advertising yourself makes sense. When was the last time we heard a player say “ footballs all I ever wanted . I just want to get boots on and get out on the pitch for a game “ ?
Two of these have refused to come back. Breaching a contract in the hope being released for nice big fat lump sum signing on free from their new club. Expect us to give up on a fee in a process. That's worse than Rodwell imo. Yeah rodwell was ****, he said he didn't want to be here but was still willing to play, still honoured his contract, dragged his heels for a pay day yes. But never once did he refuse to honour his contract. Papy and Ndong are pond scum. Catts don't want to be here, honouring his contract. Macca didn't want to be here. Honored his contract. Honeyman doesn't want to be here but honouring his contract. This is acceptable but very annoying. But downing tools and refusing to work in the hope you're released cause you know you'll be difficult to sell and can make up lost wages with a signing on fee is wrong wrong wrong. Way worse than anything Rodwell did imo.
Think you're aware I wasn't being serious on that one. As regards the guys who haven't come back it's just blind stupidity, if they don't want to be paid then so be it. I'd say with Catts and Honeyman that they will probably give their best if called upon to play, I'm not convinced the same could have been said for Rodwell. Hopefully in a few weeks these conversations will be old hat, the rot does seem to be being cleared out - there was just a lot of it!
Oh yes mate. It's not as simple as they won't get paid though. We can only fine them two weeks wages then go back to paying them or let them walk for free(what they want). Can't fine them for the same thing twice. It's not allowed in this country.
SD said in the podcast that their wages had been stopped. No one is entitled to be paid if they don't show up for work, unless it's for compassionate reasons or sickness.
You've actually got me stumped there mate. I've not heard of that. I used to work in employment law (as I think you're aware), though in fairness it was almost a decade ago now. Any areas of law I actually ended up using in my job have stuck, all the things I learned but then never actually had call to implement have slowly drifted away over the years... Whatever the situation it is in the clubs interest as much as the players to downplay how much of a pair of twats they are being now so they can still get a fee for them.
If we withhold more than 2 weeks wages we break PFA rules and end up in hot water. If they came back and ****ed off again we could fine them again. But we can't fine them twice for the same incident. It's PFA init.
That's a ridiculous position to be in isn't it? I can't believe that the PFA are condoning such behaviour.
Then, as it's contract law, can't we sue them for breach of contract and claim damages to cover our losses resulting from their actions, including loss of transfer fees.
Don't know how PFA Regulations work with contract law, whether we'd actually be in breach of contract or not by breaking PFA rules. I mean PFA only covers the english leagues. I presume there's other countries where a club can fine a player more without being in breach. I know in order to cancel a contract it's an appeal to FIFA followed by CAS.
Player Union init, they don't give a **** about what position it could leave a club. Not sure what the consequences are either. When City fined Tevez 4 weeks wages many moons ago for refusing to play, I think all they had to do was pay him back what they owed him. Who knows though, we may be happy for them to be wiped off the wage bill without a fee. If so we can stick to our guns on gross misconduct and apply to fifa to have the contract torn up.
I don't think we can let N'dong go without a fee Bri. I'm sure I recall SD mentioning that any money raised for him was to go to Ellis Short.
I’m trying to find out about that. It’s a PFA thing that they can only be fined 2 weeks wages for a breach of club discipline. But I can’t find anything that states they can’t be fined again for breaking the same rule 2 weeks later. I think in 2002 some of the top clubs started imposing more hefty fines. But that “rule” is like saying “you e murdered one person so go do it again, your sentence can’t be increased” I believe (from a little digging) that the club are entitled to withhold the wages of the players if they breach their contract for as long as they are in breach.
You can be fined for breaking the same rule twice though. You can't be fined twice for the same incident(think there's a process where the punishment can be added to, but not replicated.).What I read yeasterday is that the double jeopardy ruling still exists in contract law due to EU interference in relation to human rights. But no longer exists in criminal or Employment law. We're constant told footballer come under contract not employment law. So I take that as they can't be fined twice for the same incident. But it's irrelevent anyway if we've already fined them two weeks later cause we've hit our limit anyway. that second paragraph is fine if we're happy to scrap their contracts. But I'm guessing we'd quite like some fees for these two and that's where this tack hits complications. Niether side keeping to contract for what ever reason, then Fifa will end up ripping up contracts
