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  1. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    A Scottish government spokesman has confirmed that sixth form pupils in the UK who hold Irish passports qualify for free university tuition in Scotland.

    Fees are rising to a maximum of £9000 across the UK but in Scotland, pupils who have lived there for at least three years do not have to pay fees.

    This is also the case for EU students, as EU law does not allow discrimination against those from other member states.

    Irish passport holders in Northern Ireland count as EU students.

    Until now it was understood that students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland had to pay the higher fees in Scotland.

    But the BBC has been told that those who have Irish passports are exempt. An investigation by BBC Northern Ireland has found that some pupils in Belfast are applying for Irish passports in order to get free tuition in Scotland.

    A Scottish government spokesman confirmed that nationality not residence was the key when it came to defining an EU student, and that anyone with an Irish passport living in the UK could apply for free tuition.

    Students in Northern Ireland have dual nationality and can opt for Irish passports.

    Cathy Moore, chair of the Careers Teachers' Association, said: "The Scottish Parliament has said if you have an Irish passport and live in Northern Ireland and provide that, (Irish passport) you are eligible to have the fees paid."

    There is a degree of confusion about how widely this measure applies.


    Michael Russell urged NI students to be cautious It is understood some Scottish universities have told students they will be classed as UK nationals and have to pay fees.

    Northern Ireland born, Richard Beggs graduated from Dundee University in 2004. He tried and failed to avail of the alleged exemption: "I knew I was able to get an Irish passport and I thought I would be able to study for free but that wasn't the case.

    "They told me because I didn't have an address in the Republic of Ireland over the last three years that I wasn't eligible."

    Scottish Education Secretary Michael Russell said universities would have the final word but urged Northern Ireland students to be cautious.

    "The purpose of the regulations is to guarantee Scottish students free access. It is not to find ways around for other people. Because of European law, people coming from other jurisdictions do get the same treatment as Scottish students but those in the rest of the UK don't," he said.

    Mr Russell agreed the situation was "fluid".

    The DUP East Londonderry MP Gregory Campbell said he had raised the issue with Angus Robertson, the SNP leader in Westminster.

    "Northern Ireland's citizenship issue is unique to that of the rest of the United Kingdom in that someone living in Belfast can hold both a British passport and an Irish passport. They can officially be an Irish citizen and a British citizen," he said.

    "With such a unique situation, the Scottish executive should take an equally unique approach to Northern Ireland students.

    "Rather than only those who are happy to have an Irish passport gaining free university places, the Scottish executive should remove all fees for students from Northern Ireland.

    "This would restore fairness in that those who wouldn't be comfortable being an Irish citizen can still avail of free places at Scottish universities.

    "Those who do not accept being labelled as Irish should not be disadvantaged to the tune of up to £27,000 over a three year period."

    Meanwhile, a bonus for Northern Ireland students, is that even if they are classed as EU students and avoid paying tuition fees, they can still get a student loan as a UK citizen.

    A spokesperson from Universities Scotland said it was taking advice on the issue but, based on the most recent statistics available, there had not been a rise in applicants holding an Irish passport.

    "The regulations for rest of UK fees are based on applicants' ordinary residency rather than nationality and this is the basis on which universities will be processing applications," said the spokesperson.

    "Universities continue to liaise closely with the Scottish government and Student Awards Agency Scotland on these regulations in order to ensure the appropriate fee is applied."



    Guess I know where my two will go to Uni <party>


    Even the most Loyal Ulster Prod must be tempted.

    Thrifty lot they are <badger>
     
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  2. Ciaran

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    Still get a studant loan off the Brits too <laugh>

    Gregory Campbell is ****ing beeling <grr>

    <party>
     
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  3. Sam Axe

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    <laugh> Get it up ye
     
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    spongeing micks.

    no change there then.
     
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    I can see it now. Long queues outside the new Irish embassy on the shankill <laugh>
     
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    Your kids would get it free anyway, since they only have one parent who is on the DLA <whistle>
     
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  7. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    David Murray is not my life partner.

    Check out Gregory Campbells beel <grr>

    <party>
     
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  8. Ciaran

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    Nae bother Crawford.
     
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    It's a throw back to big Ian Paisley declaring Ulster's Cows were Irish when every country was banning British Beef during the BSE crisis.
     
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    hoi, im not a ****tah boy from edinbuggerer.
     
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    All roit fellas <inabadirishaccentsorry>

    how do I get my kids oirish passports?
     
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    Clinton Morrison managed to do it and he's black with a thick inner city London accent - must be a piece of piss.
     
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    You need to be able to down 10 pints of Guinness and then dance a jig in the Irish embassy <ok>
     
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    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    What a mess, bleeding sweaties/micks/eu/etc.
     
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    just sign up to the bobby sands fast track diet.

    it's a skoosh.
     
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  16. Sam Axe

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    The frogs get education for free in Scotland while the English have to pay full fees <laugh>
     
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  17. Ciaran

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    Leave Stereo out of this.
     
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    Nonsense. Just get them to learn these few simple words Fan. Gwan ye goodthing show em yer black arse (works for horses or dogs) and they're in. <ok>
     
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  19. stopmeandslapme

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    This story just goes to show that devolution is unworkable: people being treated differently within one country based on ethnicity or apartheid as they called it in South Africa.

    Southern Ireland futher complicates matters by allowing Ulster people to apply for a passport. The EU ought to look at putting a stop to that peculiar arrangement.
     
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    Why? These people are born in Ireland.
     
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