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Ten years of supporting England and I've had enough...

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by ncfcwonky, May 27, 2012.

  1. ncfcwonky

    ncfcwonky New Member

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    Last night when I sat down for the football I wasn't expecting much, I was hoping for some change under a respected manager under Hodgson, but this hasn't happened. I was at least hoping that tactically we would be better. However, I gave up watching after 60 minutes, the game was awful. I wasn't expecting much but I couldn't bare watching it any longer.

    Hodgson has been put in a very tough position, having got the job with very little time before the Euros. Does he stick with the same side, then he can blame the players if it all goes badly wrong? Or does he name a fresh, in form, squad and if it all goes wrong risk getting sacked?

    But, last night proved that Hodgson needs to take a risk. Carroll was average at best, Downing was awful, Milner has rarely played and Gerrard is not as good as he used to be but it was refreshing to have players such as Oxlade-Chamberlain in the side.

    I've been an England fan ever since I properly got into football when I was 10/11. My first international tournament was the World Cup in 2002. As a naive 11 year old I was hoping for us to win at the beginning of the 'golden generation.' The way we went out I felt we were unlucky and we had lost to the eventual world champions. Euro 2004 was messed up by an injury to Rooney and a disallowed goal for Campbell, again I thought we were unlucky so I still wholeheartedly supported the team. I can't quite remember what happened in 2006 but from here for me it went downhill. The whole time with the 'Wally with a Brolly' was an awful time to be an England fans and when I first began to really question our team selections.

    2010 was again another awful year. I don't think I need to say much on this.

    I wonder if the FA, or someone behind the scenes - a man with a role similar 'director of football' is appointed by the FA to 'help' with team selections. Our 'golden generation' have becoming 'golden oldies' yet are still being picked.

    As I said above an over-rated Downing is still selected, a player who cost Liverpool £20mill, yet he was awful and the commentary team were saying he had a great game? Another example of the media's arrogance perhaps?

    Carroll has been picked by England after a generally poor season and the selection was based on his good form in the last two or three games for Liverpool.

    Glen Johnson and Kelly have both been picked ahead of Richards which is another confusing selection that is clearly not down to reputation. On this selection I am incredibly confused.

    These players are being picked on their reputation much like the 'golden oldies.' Just because they play for Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United or Manchester City and their price tag; Downing - £20mill, and Carroll - £35mill.

    What happened to players being picked on form?

    I am also frustrated that Terry has been picked. He is a good player but he has the wrong personality and he should have been dropped as soon as it became clear that he was going to go on trial. With this hanging over his head it could cause disruptions. He should have been dropped until at least the date of the trial so that he can either be picked in future England squads where we all know he is innocent or he can be dropped completely if he is found guilty.




    Norwich fan bias bit...

    What happened to picking players on form? Holt scored 17 goals this season making him the second highest England goalscorer in the Premier League, Carroll scored 9 (which isn't particularly awful, unless you cost £35mill). Downing has made no assists and has not scored a single goal this season meaning that Tim Howard, a 'keeper, has a better record. How about Sinclair, Dyer, Pilkington (8 goals, a few assists) and Surman (3 or 4 goals, and some assists) (Stats page on BBC website broken).


    Media

    Throughout all this time the media has never really changed its stance maintaing that England still has what it takes to win the Euros or World Cup, this sort of arrogance is embarrassing and naive. If we really are capable of doing this then why did we only win 1-0 last night?

    I know I moan about the BBC punditry but the ITV punditry/commentary is below rubbish. Tydsely and Townsend were constantly saying rubbish and or stating the obvious. Apparently Downing was having an 'excellent game!' From my point of view he was awful. He rarely touched the ball and when he did it almost always went wrong! For years I've hated ITV football coverage but I think from now on I would rather watch the game, turn the sound off and play the sound of a screeching cat from my sound system!


    I could rant for longer but I can't be bothered.

    Enjoy the sun today everyone!

    Wonky <ok>
     
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  2. tipsycanary

    tipsycanary Well-Known Member

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    Agree <ok> As much as I would like to support England they make is so hard. Its not that I mind losing but there never seems to be any passion or ambition about their play. A big part is the constant media build up, how fantastic our players our and how we have a great chance of winning a tournament. There is so much arrogance surrounding the English game, the players are not that good and if they want any success must try a damn-site harder to achieve any success. They also persist on picking players based on club rather than performance which is very frustrating and there seems little competition for places, when you are in the squad it seems hard to get out of it. Plus many of the players are quite unlike-able but I guess that goes for many other nations players to. I could carry on complaining about the shocking tactics etc but there is not enough time in the world. I don't blame Hodgeson (not yet anyway) as he has had so little time, but he had a great opportunity to chnage things and that seems unlikely so far.
     
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  3. Beefforhire-NCFC

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    I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, but I've never felt this disillusioned about England.

    We play unnecessarily **** football. It just never ends. Theres no spark, nothing to suggest that these players are willing to do anything more than the last ones did.
     
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  4. tipsycanary

    tipsycanary Well-Known Member

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    If England fielded 11 of Norwich's England players they would no doubt be much more entertaining than last night
     
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    Beefforhire-NCFC Well-Known Member

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    And what gets me is Barrys injured, Parker is injured and they knew about it. WELLBECK IS INJURED AND HAS BEEN FOR WEEKS!!!! BUT THEY STILL TAKE THEM!!!!

    Whats the fallback when Wellbeck can't make it? Gabi Agbonlahor, ****ing ace!
     
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  6. Northamptonncfc

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    Hodgsons a prick I have zero respect for him he is blatantly trying to prove a point to Liverpool. We have hardly any creativity no mobility in midfield when we attacked it was mostly counter we looked shocking.
     
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  7. ncfcwonky

    ncfcwonky New Member

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    Agbonlahor showed promise but he's had a rubbish season. He's our new Heskey!
     
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  8. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I feel really sorry for Adam Johnson. When he came on, I thought he looked both like he cared, and he was passing around well and had some nice touches. For me, he contributed more in the few minutes he was on the pitch than Downing did, who'd been on for 85 minutes. Yet Downing is going to the Euro's, and Johnson isn't.

    Norway were on top for long periods, and with a little bit more quality on a couple of occasions I think would have scored. Norway didn't even qualify for the Euro's, so how we'll do against decent opposition I dread to think.

    Carroll was pretty useless, Walcott when he came on failed to offer any width when it was needed. As before, we seemed to lack ideas, we didn't commit people to attacks, we didn't hit them on the break, we did nothing.

    On the plus side, I thought the Ox looked good when he came on, but that's about the only positive I can think of, and he probably won't even play.
     
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  9. ncfcwonky

    ncfcwonky New Member

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    Agree about Adam Johnson, doing well and surprisingly played a fair bit last season and he actually got a few goals! Another perfect example of reputation over form! He should even be ahead of Milner!
     
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    ncfcwonky New Member

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    Also, why the black and blue England kit. The home kit should be white and the away kit should be red. The colours of the flag!
     
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    tipsycanary Well-Known Member

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    The goalkeeping kit was very nice though
     
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    Resurgam Top Analyst Staff Member

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    It was interesting to hear Gerrard being interviewed. When the 'golden generation' was mentioned, he replied, "But we weren't. were we?". Refreshingly honest I thought.
     
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  13. ncfcwonky

    ncfcwonky New Member

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    Just shows what the media is like. Over-hyping the England team...
     
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  14. Dazz19

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    I'm really hoping that Hodgson is taking the tried and tested, if somewhat ****e, squad that qualified for the Euro's because he's been given such a short amount of time before the competition has started and then he'll make his mark on the squad when qualification for the World Cup starts.

    Of course the likelihood is that the bulk of the squad going to the Euro's will make up the squad for the first World Cup qualifiers.
     
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  15. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    First real ENGLAND game for four years so i thought it went ok, i think last nights game was Roy judging the midfield and how they work together the defence will change as will the forward line but i think Gerrard and Parker will be in the centre.
     
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    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    And the Manager should always be ENGLISH..................:laugh:
     
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  17. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    All the bile for Downing but he provided the assist. It wasn't pretty but it was a second string and we still won the game, they didn't really trouble Rob Green at any point so we kept it tight and we made 7 or 8 substitutions and gave AOC and Kelly debuts. Too early to read anything into it.
     
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  18. Star of David Bardsley

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    Give the bloke a chance, Wonky. He's had a handful of training sessions with this group, let alone matches, and without the Chelsea players and whoever else is injured. The fact is if we try and play football, push the wingers high up etc. we'll get ripped apart. Sitting deep and keeping it tight might just work and it certainly won't be any worse than being ripped apart for being too open.

    Hodgson strikes me as a thoroughly decent bloke and he's done very well in almost all of his many previous roles.
     
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  19. Northamptonncfc

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    He picked Kelly over Richards his ****ing **** Hodgson.
     
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  20. ncfcwonky

    ncfcwonky New Member

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    I've no problem with Hodgson he was the best choice just tired of the same old rubbish. Think we will have to wait until after the Euros for anything to happen.

    I'm part Scottish so I think I'll do what they all do at a major tournament, support whoever England is playing!
     
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