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  1. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    More than 150 years after European colonial powers abolished slavery, a coalition of Caribbean nations is considering legal action to seek a formal apology and monetary compensation. Caribbean leaders meeting next week in St. Vincent are expected to study a broad legal outline for the reparations claim prepared by a British law firm.
    The subject of reparations has simmered in the Caribbean for many years and opinions are divided. Some see reparations as delayed justice, while others see it as an empty claim and a distraction from modern social problems in Caribbean societies. Slavery ended throughout the Caribbean in the 1800s in the wake of slave revolts, and left many of the region’s plantation economies in tatters.

    If the leaders decide to go ahead, a legal complaint will be filed against European states, possibly opening the way for formal negotiations. The European states targeted are Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Denmark. “Undoubtedly, Britain faces more claims than anyone else because it was the primary slave power and colonial power in the Caribbean,” Martyn Day, the British lawyer advising the Caribbean nations, said in an interview. “Britain will be very much at the forefront.” Britain’s government is aware of the proposed legal action, its foreign office said.

    “Slavery was and is abhorrent. The United Kingdom unreservedly condemns slavery and is committed to eliminating it,” a spokesperson said, adding that reparations are not the answer. “Instead, we should concentrate on identifying ways forward with a focus on the shared global challenges that face our countries in the 21st century.” Legal experts say the lawsuit would be a long shot at best. “There is no legal basis for a claim for reparations,” Robert A. Sedler, a professor at Wayne State University Law School, said.

    “Slavery was legal at the time, and international law was not a part of the law of the European states. Moreover, a long period of time has passed, and all the victims of slavery are long dead,” he added. Some reparations cases have popped up in the United States over the last decade, but no one has been awarded compensation. However, if negotiations open “the European nations might decide to apologize for slavery and to provide some financial assistance to the Caribbean nations,” Sedler said. For instance, Caricom could seek to work with the European states to set up museums for Caribbean culture and history, which would entail decisions on financing, Day said.

    The legal strategy rests on the fact that the European states targeted by Caricom have all signed the International Convention on the Elimination of All Racial Discrimination, which makes it “a duty to do all in their power to eradicate racial discrimination,” said Day.
    The Caribbean effort is being led by Ralph Gonsalves, prime minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, who has doggedly pursued the issue for the last four years.

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    When Gonsalves found out last year that London’s High Court ordered the British government to pay compensation to survivors of Kenya’s Mau Mau uprising, he contacted Day, whose law firm Leigh Day, represented the Mau Mau. The British government paid £19.9 million ($33 million) to 5,228 survivors of torture during Kenya’s 1950s Mau Mau uprising, and formally acknowledged that “Kenyans were subject to torture and other forms of ill treatment and that these abuses took place and that they marred Kenya’s progress towards independence.”

    Gonsalves said slavery so traumatized society in Caribbean countries that they have still not fully recovered. The reparations claim takes into account what its authors say are slavery-related chronic diseases such as hypertension and Type 2 diabetes, widespread illiteracy, the lack of museums and research centers for Caribbean history, the lack of respect for African culture and identity, continuing psychological effects of centuries of slavery, and the lack of scientific and technical know-how to compete in the global economy.

    In December 2013, the Caricom Reparations Commission decided on six factors for the claim: public health, education, cultural institutions, cultural deprivation, psychological trauma, and scientific and technological backwardness. Estimates vary as to how many were enslaved. According to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, the British Caribbean had 2.3 million slaves, the French Caribbean had 1.1 million, the Spanish Americas had 1.3 million and the Dutch Americas had about 445,000. Slaves labored mainly in sugar and coffee plantations and were forced to work around the clock in the fields during harvest, according to Kathleen Monteith, head of the History and Archeology Department at the University of the West Indies.

    The international convention against discrimination says significant attempts should be made to solve matters amicably but if no resolution is reached the Caribbean nations can take their case to the International Court of Justice. Day hopes to present formal complaints to the European states at the end of June. If a European state were to refuse a Caribbean nation’s request for talks on its particular claims, then a formal legal complaint would be made. “The Western powers will at least give a sympathetic ear,” he said. “The knee-jerk reaction will be to say no (but) Western powers will want to be seen as dealing sensitively with this.”
     
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  2. The Raging Oxter

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    Give them what they want. We would only waste it on white elephants in London anyway.
     
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  3. Baw Claw

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    This is the basest form of monetary opportunism.
     
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  4. Baw Claw

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    Naw, **** them. 150 years too ****ing late.

    Reparations, what is this guilt-ridden America? <doh>
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

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    You could just donate a months wages.
     
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  6. monacoger

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    They should be thanking us, if Sammy Davis Jr's ancestors weren't taken over there by boat, then no way would he have been famous.
     
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  7. Baw Claw

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    Or you could ask your pal Fat Eck to pay half of it when considering the role that Scotland had in the slave trade?
     
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  8. DevAdvocate

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    Indeed it is, maybe Scotland should seek compensation for the Highland clearances?
     
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  9. Baw Claw

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    Aye, my family could be in for some money in that case.

    We Shall Overcome!
     
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  10. monacoger

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    Or the Chinese should seek money for building America's railroads...or the moaning ****s could just man up and get on with it.
     
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    This is the thin end of the wedge, the Oirish will be all over this like a rash.
     
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  12. The Raging Oxter

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    It's just a coincidence half those Jamaican athletes are called Fraser, Douglas, McDonald etc.
     
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    ****ing right.

    Their ancestors were throwing spears in Africa while those ****s get to live in a tropical paradise and now have the ****ing front to ask for money to ease their suffering.
     
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  15. Baw Claw

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    Farm subsidies for tatties that rotted out over a century ago?
     
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    The jamcian accent is just a slowed down/stoned scottish accent ...

    yeah man!
     
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    Everyone these days are looking for a fast easy buck and a ticket for life.

    Even the fuzzy wuzzies are getting in on the act.
     
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  19. monacoger

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    They will be using a white, left wing lawyer though I bet.
     
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  20. RAVENBLACK

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    Aye, hypocritical nig nogs.
     
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