I was listening to talkshite rabbiting on about how pochettino is really unfairly treated by media and klopp isn't. Like as if klopp is a yard stick to measure another clubs manager by. I thought i'd actually take a look at the facts not the opinions and let the speak: 1. Duration in position: Pochettino arrived at spurs on 27th May 2014 - this means 2014/15 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18 4 full seasons Klopp arrived at Liverpool 8th October 2015 2015/16 (half) 2016/17 2017/18 2.5 seasons 2. Clubs relative positions upon arrival: Spurs: Liverpool: 3. Cup performances: Spurs Liverpool 4. Net spends: Spurs: about 18mil over the 4 years net transfers not including wages Liverpool: -6mil or so over the 2.5/3 years klopp has been involved Conclusions? Pochettino The facts show 4 full years and preseasons at club. his net spend is tiny over that time Pochettino has improved spurs from a europa level club to a Champions league club. This is basically competing with Liverpool, cheslea, utd and arsenal who have all dropped out at different times. They have been consistent. In the cups He's got to one final and two semi finals in 4 years. He have done poorly in europe. Klopp: Klopp has only had 2 full seasons and he took over LFC midseason in a poor year with mario balotelli in his squad Klopp has moved LFC form a club who had one good year in 5 to a club who have been 4th twice. Talk site commented what about LFC being 2nd. the facts i think speack for themselves on LFC for many years. That 2nd was a blip. 2 years in 4th isn't bad. Klopp has got to 3 finals in 2.5 years. He has lost 3 of them. One on pens. So overall I think the criticism of pochettino is about expectation. Spurs fans clear have had it relatively good for years and he has raised those expectations further to the point where they now expect to win something. I think its a bit unfair to be on his back... but the reality this year is they were well off in 5th for a long time and came good, went out of all cups so they have had time to whine about this since the FA cup where they we well beaten. There can be not criticism of klopp. Only a fool would. After all he is in a CL final. It only takes a brief look at the numbers to see LFC have been in the doldrums going back to our near financial ruin. thats 7th and 8th and klop has improved us to 4th place in an 6 horse league. We are at least competitive... We have also been to finals and are in one so... if you compare pochettino and klopp they have improved their clubs but one look worse than the other due to getting to finals. Its unfair on poch but thats expectation for you. Next year if klopp hasn't won the LC final he will be under the same pressure to win something. Thats football and the press i suppose. Poch does need to win something though... he's got to that point which is better than being a small club mentality manager.
Pochettino was a moron for saying Spurs are above the FA Cup and League Cup when he was then unable to challenge in either the PL or CL
I've blocked that station from my car radio, it's garbage 5 Live is getting as bad with some of its programming as well, although its occasionally still listenable for sport Seems like with competition from other media for an audience, podcasts, youtube etc they're getting more desperate to drive listening figures
I can't listen to that ****, good post though @moreinjuredthanowen Klopp has done well but he needs to win something now and hopefully the first one will be the CL which is huge. Spurs are just the new Gooners where top 4 is the ultimate ambition and just playing in the CL is enough.
Pochetino had some strong words after the game yesterday. Whether he should be criticised or not I am not sure, but he might not even be there next season.
TBH i flicked in due to what was on 5 live and that last night. I do agree its all about creating some angry callers and then winding them up more. hence facts get in the way For me poch might be thinking he's taken them as far as he can.
Its all about expectation. If someone calls these managers failures then their had to be expecting them to win things against city, cheslea and utd. That's the reality. There are 4 trophies available to every club in europe. One one club can win each so if expectations is to win one then thats a much higher level than expecting just 4th.
He probably thought that a while ago. Is there any clubs sounding him out yet? Is real an option and his preferred destination.
Psg looking for new manager. Barca might be after getting knocked out in CL. Despite going nearly unbeaten in league, doesn’t seem like things are all hunky dory over there. Chelsea maybe?
Perfect candidate for Real - remember this - "I'm not suited to Bolton or Blackburn, I would be more suited to Internazionale or Real Madrid," said Allardyce. "It wouldn't be a problem to me to go and manage those clubs because I would win the Double or the league every time.''
Admirable research but misdirected. A comparison on press coverage of the 3rd and 4th managers? It was hardly a slow news day. It's Wum Radio and it all started with Jimmy Hill. They're the ones you love to hate. How else do you get people to call in? It was a false premise anyway, because Poch has had runs of good press - what a great job he's doing there, they're not bottlers anymore - while Klopp was getting criticised for the defence. I remember them comparing his first 22 games to Rodgers' last 22. Utterly pointless exercise but it fills airtime and column inches.
Well i only heard the debate that was on last night and i thought it silly but when i thought more about poch's record i felt it was unfair to be on his case at all. Comparing to LFC is merely the way to suck in callers.
That's all these stations are about, to give them any credit for actual journalism or debate is crazy, all they're interested in is getting people to call in and listening figures so they prefer to just be stupidly outrageous and noisy ... even when they get a decent caller the caller gets sucked into their shouting matches and idiocy so they don't listen to or really discuss their point anyways
Can't go to Barca. He'd get lynched by the Espanyol fans Difference between Klopp and Poch is time and moving forward. Spurs have sort of hit a wall, they've developed well and become a regular contender for CL football, however they are struggling to take that next step. The one where they challenge for the title or go deep into the CL or win domestic cups. The criticism is starting to come as its coming to a time where people expect them to do just that, but they don't look any closer to it. To me its not Poch, its the club holding back. They have a very tight wage control and reserved approach to transfers. Both of these are excellent ideas in the long term, however for the short both Players and manager would be starting to think that the club is incapable to going to the next level because of it. And Footballers have relatively short careers and don't want to waste years of nothing, will this Spurs team be remembered if they don't win trophies. The only real way to keep players or attract the big players, when you're not winning things, is to pay big (wages and fees) like Citeh had too. Spurs should also be slightly worried about the cost of their new stadium, look at how pear shaped its gone for Arsenal since the new Stadium and money having to go into paying that off.
tbh.... spurs wait till all the deals are done then buy cast offs and those left for the "bargains" on deadline day. they have picked off some right bargains like robbing alderweireld of Southampton knowing full well he would be brilliant. they swooped in on all I cos off thought they had all the time in the world. they waited and saw eriksen wasn't going anywhere and for him for a song. I wonder how many are wise and how many are luck and if posh has ever got the player he really wants?
