Match Day Thread Sunderland v Newcastle United - Official Build Up / Match Day Thread

please log in to view this image

please log in to view this image

Sunderland v Newcastle United

Sunday 27th October 2013

Kick off 1.30pm @ The Stadium Of Light (the second one, not the original)

Squad
L Remy Knock (no return date)
S Taylor Hamstring Injury (no return date)
M Haidara Knee Injury (19th October)
R Taylor ACL Knee Injury (no return date)

Betting (from PP)
To follow

Streams
http://www.firstrow.org/

ACS's View
I can see this being a draw all the way... 1-1... I'll comment further when they appoint their manager....

A History Of The Rivalry (from Wiki)
Prior to the beginning of the twentieth century, the main rivalries in Newcastle and Sunderland were cross-town affairs.

In Newcastle, a rivalry existed during the 1880s between Newcastle East End (later to become Newcastle United) and Newcastle West End, which was ended with West End's bankruptcy in 1892. Meanwhile on Wearside, a group of players broke away from Sunderland, and formed the rival Sunderland Albion in 1888, though Albion was forced to fold four years later. The first meeting between the two took place in 1883, with the first competitive fixture, an FA Cup tie in 1888. Sunderland won the game 2–0.

Around the turn of the 20th century, the rivalry began to emerge. The 1901 Good Friday encounter, late in the 1900–01 season at St James' Park had to be abandoned as up to 120,000 fans made their way into a ground which then had a capacity of 30,000. The news was met with anger, and rioting followed, with a number of fans injured. However, in general, although the derby attracted big crowds – with fans often climbing trees and buildings for views of the game – there is little evidence to suggest any animosity between the two sets of supporters in the pre-war and immediate post-war period .On 5 December 1908, Sunderland beat Newcastle 9–1 at St James' Park, depite this Newcastle still won the league title that season finishing 9 points ahead of their local rivals who finished 3rd. The result remains the biggest ever win in a Tyne–Wear derby, as well as the Wearsiders' biggest ever win away from homeand Newcastle's biggest ever home league defeat. Newcastle's largest victory margin in a derby is 6–1, which they have achieved twice – at home in 1920 and away in 1955.
In 1979, Sunderland won 4–1 at Newcastle, with Gary Rowell (who was born in Seaham, just outside of Sunderland) scoring a hat-trick. On New Year's Day 1985, Newcastle-born Peter Beardsley scored a hat trick in Newcastle's 3–1 victory in the fixture.Both players remain cult figures to their respective clubs' fans.

In 1990, the sides met in a Second Division play off semi final dubbed 'the biggest Tyne–Wear derby in history'.[5] The first leg, at Roker Park, ended goalless after Sunderland missed a penalty, who then won the second leg 2–0 at St James' Park. Towards the end of the second leg, some Newcastle fans invaded the pitch in the hope of forcing an abandonment.[9] However, the game was resumed and Sunderland completed the win. Sunderland went on lose the final to Swindon Town, but were still promoted due to financial irregularities at Swindon.

In a memorable derby on 25 August 1999, Newcastle manager Ruud Gullit dropped leading scorers Alan Shearer and Duncan Ferguson to the bench. Sunderland went on to win the game 2–1 at St. James' Park thanks to goals from Kevin Phillips and Niall Quinn, and in the face of outrage from Newcastle fans, Gullit quit before their next match. Sunderland repeated the feat a year later, in a match remembered for Sunderland goalkeeper Thomas Sørensen saving a Shearer penalty. Another eventful derby on 17 April 2006, Newcastle came from one nill down at half time to hammer Sunderland 4–1 at the Stadium of Light, with Alan Shearer scoring his last competitive goal before retirement. One of Newcastle's scorers that day, Michael Chopra, later joined Sunderland and played in 3 derbies against Newcastle. On 28 October 2008, Sunderland beat Newcastle 2–1 at the Stadium of Light, their first home win in a derby for 28 years.

On 31 October 2010, Newcastle beat Sunderland 5–1 at home, with their captain Kevin Nolan scoring a hat-trick in the match, while Sunderland's former Newcastle defender Titus Bramble was sent off. Newcastle led the return fixture in January 2011 1–0 thanks to another Nolan goal, only for Sunderland's Asamoah Gyan to equalise in injury time. The next derby took place in August 2011 at the Stadium of Light, where Newcastle won 1-0 thanks to a Ryan Taylor free kick. The return fixture at St. James Park ended 1-1. Both sides were charged by the FA for failing to keep their players under control, charges which they both accepted.

On 14 April 2013, Sunderland defeated Newcastle 3-0 at St James' Park.


​

 

I've put this up slightly early as I'm sure we will want to talk about it for a while beforehand.
A lot will depend on their new manager in terms of how the game pans out.
I expect Ellis to appoint in the next week so they will have a new manager and that 'new manager' buzz behind then which may help their fortunes.
As ever league form goes out of the window in these games.

 

Got to say personally I think they will appoint Ball.

 

That will be the first game we (SAFC) will win thank god this season against you lot, because Fletcher will be back by then, and unless the cheat refs continue in their ways.

 

Rivalries aside, I'd give him it to the end of the season and say 'there you go.. see what you can do'.
If his works he earns the job outright.
I suspect though, that they will go for another 'figurehead' type coach with little actual hand on premiership experience (like Poyet).

 

Of course they could go for Allardyce.

 

he is an ex Mackem mind.

 

Lets go into the game negative and we'll end up winning. Whenever we've thought we're gonna win we've ended up with a disappointing result, e.g. the last two home derbies.

Clattermole will most likely be playing and the tackles will be flying in.

I sense we'll be on top in the first half, but in that time we NEED to score at least 2 goals and kill the game off. We should have been 2/3-0 up in the first half last year and we only put away one chance, and then look what happened.

The scum gained confidence and nicked a flukey goal and got an undeserved point.

If we can grab an early goal and unsettle them, I think we can get them frustrated and one of them will do something stupid and get red carded.

 

Ahh.. clever idea fella.
Let's call it the Mr Tiote approach

I think we'll get hammered s they will be up for it and we will collapse like at Everton, get relegated then sell all our best players.

 

The kind of thing that usually happens in Derby games.

Lots of passion and desire to win without too much thought.

I think we've got more chance of finishing with XI on the field than Sunderland have.

 

I think we'll struggle in this one despite their overall ****ness. I can see us being bullied.

 

Both sides lack quality, both sides lack heart and discipline, both sides are images you get in your head before the picture of an actual dog turd when I say "think about dog turds"...

I think it'll be a riotous 7-7 with sumptuous play and excellent passing, of course!

 

Should be a good return from the bookies for 7-7, how much are you putting on?

 

About 3 stone a day since she left me... Oh wait I see... I'll be putting my life savings on a sure bet like that, obvs!

 

Can't be too much of you left now, maybe she'll feel sorry for you and come back to feed you up.

 

I'm thinking it's going to be the Loic Remy show.

 

This is the beacon of hope - Remy against John O'****

 

Draw at best, dark days sadly

 

I think it's jolly unsporting them consistently sacking managers and appointing new ones before we play them... No idea what the crazy b******s are going to try...

Maybe we should have tag-team managers... Rotate them like players! Then the DoF's of the land, as selectors of the manager for each game, can have an actual job