Why is it that whoever joins our club, is completely forgotten about in the england set up? Phillips, European golden boot winner, and largely ignored by England. Darren bent, English top scorer for the season he was left out of euro squad. He even went on to say Capello told him that joining Aston villa would improve his england chances, I mean what the ****. Now it's Defoe. Nearly single handedly kept us up this season with many pundits saying he's the best he's ever been, and completely ignored by Roy. I just don't get it? He's included rashford who's had around 3-4 premier league goals this year compared to defoes 15. Many players with england aspirations have to stay clear of safc, because whoever plays for us is ignored by every single manager. By the way, if we don't get to at least the semis this year, Roy has to be removed from his position. Picking the likes of rashford, wilshere, lallana, delph, Barkley, stones, sterling? None of these guys have done enough.
Why the beef with Rashford? Everybody knows he won't be going to France. Edit: Rashford has got 7 in 16 games and Defoe has 6 in 16 games. #PickedOnForm
Haven't got beef with rashford, and I think he will go on to be a very good player. But for a guy with 8-9 premier league games in his entire life, how could you possibly include him in the national set up. And I was talking about premier league goals, I didn't include rashford goals against the Danish part timers. If you want to include all competitions, Defoe has scored 18 compared to rashfords 7. What has rashford done to deserve a call up to the england set up?
Well the fair comparison would be since Rashford got his debut. You can chat about Danish part timers and I'll just throw his double against Arsenal and one each against City at the Etihad and West Ham at Boleyn Ground back at ya. He also mathematically relegated Villa. 16 games. No penalties. 7 goals. Better than Defoe's return over his last 16 games You can cry and moan and stamp your feet all you like, he's got just as much right to be there as Defoe does since he started playing in this league.
So in reality he has scored a massive 4 goals in the premier league in his entire career, and deserves to be in the england squad? I don't know what else I can say, I think that says it all doesn't it?
He's only played 16 games, why are you saying 'entire career'? Chances are by the end of the week he'll have more winners medals to his name than Defoe does to his in his ENTIRE CAREER. You sound incredibly bitter, if he was your wonder kid you'd be happy for him. He's not gonna go to France, but neither is Defoe, get over it. In 2014 Defoe ****ed off to Canada mid-season with a WC on the horizon, and we never had a depth of options up front. He left for money, Hodgson hasn't forgotten that, evidently. Now we have bare strikers, tough **** Jermain.
I'm not bitter, just giving my opinion about football on a football forum, without people giving their opinion, there would be no site. Yes he might have more medals than Defoe come the end of season, but then again, so has another of your wonder kids, Frederick macheda, anyone remember him? My point is, rashford is just a kid, with 4 goals to his name and no where near enough experience to be included in such an important national set up. Whereas Defoe has scored more premier league goals this season than rashford and his strike partner Rooney put together, and doesn't get a look in. It's big gamble, and one that mystifies me.
Why is it a 'big gamble' don't flatter your player pal, Kane and Vardy have Defoe covered no problem. Your comparison with Macheda just shows you've not watched Rashford at all and your looking at his 4 league goals, ignoring everything else including his 3 other goals. He's an incredible talent and he has his entire career in front of him. You can't give a valid reason for Defoe over Rashford without manipulating data to suit Defoe. Nobody cares about manipulated stats pal, people care about quality and class and that's something Rashford has enough of to earn his spot IN THE 26 MAN SQUAD. He won't go but neither would Defoe so explain to me the benefit of taking him over Rashford then leaving him at home
How am I manipulating stats? I am talking about premier league goals only. You are the one bringing cup goals into play, and basing the comparison on 16 appearances. So if anyone is manipulating stats, it's actually you. I have watched rashford and think he's a very decent kid with plenty of POTENTIAL, but shouldn't be anywhere near an england senior set up, having only played 16 games in men's football, 16 games and in the england squad lol.
On merit it has to be Defoe, but I am quite happy to see him rest during the summer and come back fresh... I have no problem with Rashford being named in the squad.. He looks like he could be a cracking player and the experience will only do him good..
I'm judging players on all competitions, who gets into national teams on PL performances only? There's no reason to look at just league, is there? I'm using equal parameters for the analysis, why compare a full season to a half season? If we are chatting about times when Rashford wasn't playing I'll just talk about last season 4 goals from Defoe. You can't give me a reason to take Defoe over Rashford so you just start nit-picking over irrelevant things. Poor old Sunderland victims nobody picks your players boo hoo. Stop ya crying pal it's ridiculous. Look to the future, The future is bright, the future is Rashford
He has had a fabulous start to his professional career and has all the attributes to become a top drawer player.
My reasons to take Defoe over rashford: 1. 18 goals in all comps over rashfords 7. 2. Experienced at international level, scored goals in major comps, including World Cup. 3. Defoe has better shot to goal ratio than rashford. There's 3 valid reasons. Give me 3 valid reasons you think rashford should go over Defoe, that would benefit england in this tournament...
Picking Defoe (if we think he's the required standard of course) isn't a gamble, we know what he can do, he's done it long enough, we've seen his best, we've seen his worst, and we know what level of consistency to expect. We know next to none of this with Rashford. We can extrapolate off a very small sample, but it would be a huge gamble Worst case scenario, he's a Jeffers! (Of course, best case scenario, he's a Pele!) 'Manipulating data' my bumhole!
Well your first was valid but the data is skewed but I'll let you have it. Second is completely invalid because neither player will go to France. Third is just plain wrong. So my first. 1. Rashford will gain vital experience working with the squad. Defoe's inclusion will be nothing but a meaningless jolly where he could end up injured and **** your next season plans up. 2. Rashford is the future. 3. Rashford has a better shot to goals conversion rate 4. Rashford is in better form since his professional career started. 5. Rashford didn't go to Canada for money. That should do it.
So now we are talking about the 23 man squad, in which case maybe pick Defoe if we are short on experience. The bottom line is, neither are going to France and that seems to be a concept many of you are struggling with evidently.
