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Suicide and religion

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thefanwithnoname, Mar 17, 2012.

  1. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Nearly all religions are anti suicide and see it as a sin

    So the question is if a person kills themselves and it is an obvious suicide, should religious institutions refuse to conduct the burial service?

    Think of it this way, homosexuality is seen as sin by most religions, hence the whole balava around gay marriage

    Who decides which sin is ok?
     
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  2. Trypsin-1

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  3. Steven Royston O'Neill

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    some religions are so pro suicide they name bombers after it
     
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  4. Otto Flayshow

    Otto Flayshow Well-Known Member

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    Are you seeking approval for your gay suicide pact?
     
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  5. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    TBF syd its not like they get a service is it

    <doh>
     
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  6. Dave the Rave

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    <ok> <laugh>

    To answer the OP, sinning is part of religion. No human (especially women) go through life without sinning at least once. Who then decides which sin is worse <ok>

    In most religions, forgiveness is provided to those who ask for it, whether it be now or in the afterlife <ok>
     
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  7. Paulie Gualtieri

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    fing bloddy hell im of two bed noe had a good paddys day and im pissed spilled a big bucket of pop on a fatty and he got mad byt cOUldnt chase me to fat anyway fing sirewns everywere st paddy would be (is) turning in his grave my ghost whisperingf frien said so woo go on engl;and beat a **** paddy tea m on pady days
     
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  8. Dave the Rave

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    Obviously you drank your first pint... welcome to adulthood <ok>
     
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  9. Paulie Gualtieri

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    zzzzzx your so bloddy anoyining just likr the paki millwall fan who lives under me in my semI detached hose
     
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  10. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    30-9

    <ok>
     
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  11. Paulie Gualtieri

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    We left ye win , 7 victories of the last 8 encounters. We felt sorry for ye <ok> fing and a ll that bloddy s***
     
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  12. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    **** yeee, ya light weight.
     
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  13. Mick

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    To ask the question are religions right on frowning upon suicide is like asking are religions right in frowning upon me banging my missus when she was 16 and not so gravitationally challenged - their organised opinion is pretty irrelevant on the matter at the time of the deed and is almost certainly irrelevant forever after.
     
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  14. RinoGattuso

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    Syd take it up the arse by a suicide boaby
     
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  15. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    That wasnt the question you thick **** <mickinmisunderstandingmishap>

    Question was should they do the whole burial service.

    EG see speed, he had a burial service, priest said a few words etc. The guy committed suicide, surely he should have been beheaded and buried at a crossroads
    Thats what they did with Balians Mrs in Kingdom of Heaven
     
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  16. Azmi

    Azmi Well-Known Member

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    "Question was should they do the whole burial service."

    Not sure how Christians deal with this but my sister in law killed herself and got a full Jewish burial. As for Muslims in Islam it's not for anyone but God to judge so a Muslim burial would not be denied.
     
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  17. Kyle?

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    That was a film. Unless you learn to distinguish fiction from reality, you shall never achieve anything.
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    [h=1]Stoichiometry[/h] [h=2]Elemental Analysis: Carbon and Hydrogen[/h] [h=3]Composition by Mass[/h] The composition of a compound is often expressed in terms of the weight percent of each element in the compound.
    For example, ethanol has the formula C[SUB]2[/SUB]H[SUB]6[/SUB]O. One mole of ethanol has a mass of 46.07 g. The elemental formula indicates that one mole of ethanol contains two moles of carbon, six moles of hydrogen, and one mole of oxygen. Thus the composition of the compound by mass is
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    [TD]% C = [/TD]
    [TD]2 moles C (12.01 g/mole C)
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    46.07 g ethanol[/TD]
    [TD]100 % = 52.14 %[/TD]
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    Similarly the weight percents of hydrogen and oxygen in ethanol are
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    [TD]% H = [/TD]
    [TD]6 moles H (1.008 g/mole H)
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    46.07 g ethanol[/TD]
    [TD]100 % = 13.13 %[/TD]
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    [TD]% O = [/TD]
    [TD]1 mole O (16.00 g/mole O)
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    46.07 g ethanol[/TD]
    [TD]100 % = 34.73 %[/TD]
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    Notice that the sum of the weight percents of all the elements in a compound must equal 100 %.
    52.14 % + 13.13 % + 34.73 % = 100.00 %
    [h=3]Elemental Analysis[/h] Elemental analysis is an experiment that determines the amount (typically a weight percent) of an element in a compound. Just as there are many different elements, there are many different experimental methods for determining elemental composition. The most common type of elemental analysis is for carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen (CHN analysis). This type of analysis is especially useful for organic compounds (compounds containing carbon-carbon bonds).
    The elemental analysis of a compound enables one to determine the empirical formula of the compound. The empirical formula is the formula for a compound that contains the smallest set of integer ratios for the elements in the compound that gives the correct elemental composition by mass.
    Consider the compound octane, whose molecular formula is C[SUB]8[/SUB]H[SUB]18[/SUB]. The ratio of carbon to hydrogen atoms in octane is 8 : 18. This ratio has a value of 0.444444, which can also be expressed by ratios such as 16 : 36 and 1 : 2.25. The smallest ratio of integers that gives this ratio is 4 : 9 and therefore the empirical formula of octane is C[SUB]4[/SUB]H[SUB]9[/SUB].
    The molecular formula is an integer (n) multiple of the empirical formula. For octane the empirical formula is C[SUB]4[/SUB]H[SUB]9[/SUB]; thus the molecular formula is C[SUB]4n[/SUB]H[SUB]9n[/SUB]. In this case n = 2, which produces C[SUB]8[/SUB]H[SUB]18[/SUB].
    If one prepares or isolates a new compound, the determination of the molecular formula for the compound is an important goal. This determination typically involves two steps: (1) elemental analysis of the compound and (2) determination of the molecular mass. The elemental analysis permits determination of the empirical formula, and the molecular weight and elemental analysis permit determination of the molecular formula.
    To illustrate this process, consider an unknown compound containing only carbon and hydrogen whose elemental composition is 84.72% carbon and 15.41% hydrogen by weight. (Notice that the experimental error has produced values whose sum is not exactly 100.00 %.) Suppose one had a 100.0 g sample of this compound. (Any amount could be chosen; 100.0 g just happens to be a convenient number to use.) The 100.0 g sample of the compound contains 100.0 g (0.8472) = 84.72 g carbon and 100.0 g (0.1541) = 15.41 g hydrogen.
    These amounts can be expressed in terms of moles of each element.
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    [TD]84.72 g C [/TD]
    [TD]1 mole C
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    12.01 g C[/TD]
    [TD] = 7.054 mole C[/TD]
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    [TD]15.41 g H [/TD]
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    1.008 g H[/TD]
    [TD] = 15.29 mole H[/TD]
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    The atom ratio C : H is thus 7.054 : 15.29 or C[SUB]7.054[/SUB]H[SUB]15.29[/SUB]. Of course formulas are generally expressed in terms of integers, and the empirical formula is the smallest ratio of integers that yields the correct atom ratio. There are several ways to arrive at the correct set of integers. If the molecule is reasonably small, trial and error is frequently the most direct approach.
    First divide each term in the ratio by the smallest value (7.054 in this case).
    15.29 / 7.054 = 2.168, thus the ratio 7.054 : 15.29 is the same as 1.000 : 2.168
    In this case, the integer for C cannot be 1, because this integer does not lead to an integer value for H. Keep multiplying this ratio by small integers (2, 3, 4, ...) until a ratio of integers is obtained.
    2.000 : 4.336
    3.000 : 6.504
    4.000 : 8.672
    5.000 : 10.84
    6.000 : 13.01
    In this case, the smallest ratio of integers that produces 2.182 for C : H is 6 : 13 and thus the empirical formula is C[SUB]6[/SUB]H[SUB]13[/SUB].
    Be aware that the elemental analysis is not perfectly accurate. The experimental error will generally produces atom ratios that are not perfect integers but are close to integers.
    A separate measurement of the molecular mass is required to determine the molecular formula. For this compound mass spectrometry gave a molecular mass of 170.
    The molecular formula is C[SUB]6n[/SUB]H[SUB]13n[/SUB], thus the molecular mass is
    170. = 12.01 ( 6 n ) + 1.008 ( 13 n ) = 85.164 n

    n = 170./85.164 = 1.996 or 2 (bear in mind n must be an integer)​
    The molecular formula is thus C[SUB]12[/SUB]H[SUB]26[/SUB].
     
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  19. Trypsin-1

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    i agree fan <ok>
     
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  20. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    I realise that in most cases , in all religions, a full service is often provided. Point is is this right from a religious perspective? or is it just the various priests picking and choosing.

    You say its not for anypone but God to judge. Its God who says NO to suicide
    PS I am Muslim
     
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