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Successful 'stop-gap' managers?

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  1. Polly13

    Polly13 Well-Known Member

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    Had an interesting discussion with a mate the other week, when David Unsworth took over at Everton. We were trying to think if there had ever been an assistant manager, or a coach, at a top-flight club, who had been given the manager's job when the incumbent resigned or was sacked, and had gone on to make a long-term success of it.

    Here are a few of the failures which spring to mind:

    Mike Phelan here
    Craig Shakespeare at Leicester
    John Carver at Newcastle
    Neil Adams at Norwich
    Ricky Sbragia at Sunderland
    Sammy Lee at Bolton
    And now Unsworth

    I'm sure there must be loads more to go at, but can anyone think of a successful example?
     
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  2. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

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    Iain Dowie gets stuck right on the failures list. Though he wasn't an assistant he had an equivalent bollocks title.
     
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  3. ImperialTiger

    ImperialTiger Well-Known Member

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    Di Matteo did ok at Chelsea.
     
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  4. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    Phil Brown didn't do bad with us, and was unlucky to lose his job IMO He's done OK at Southend since going there.
     
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  5. Blaknamberblood

    Blaknamberblood Well-Known Member

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    Brownie did well until his ego got the better of him .. they had to extend the naughty step cos he fell out with that many players.
     
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    he made the mistake of winning the CL.. what Roman really wanted was someone to win the World Cup
     
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  7. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    Rafa won the CL with Chelsea didn't he?

    Chelsea kept hiring Guus Hiddink as the interim manager and he kept them ticking over.
     
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  8. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    He did well in the first season, but he didn't consolidate and bought players that weren't good enough. Southend are currently 16th in League 1, he's not done that well. By chance, I saw that Will Atkinson is playing for Mansfield now. What shocked me was that he's now 29. Christ almighty.
     
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  9. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    It is all conjecture and opinion I guess, but I always felt that if Browny had stayed until the end of the season we would have had a better chance of survival than under Dowie.

    Moreover the 2nd season Browny was victim of a similar situation, after Turner was sold for peanuts to pay the wage bill he got left by taking Sonko on loan from Stoke who was awful, as was Garner who was forever injured. Always felt that he never had a squad that was good enough to stay up, and so it proved.

    Having said all that he didn't help himself hen he got wrapped up in his own hype, and of cause the Bullard situation didn't help.
     
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  10. Arnold_Lane_HCFC

    Arnold_Lane_HCFC Well-Known Member

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    Billy Russell did alright for us 3rd time around
     
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  11. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    He's doing well at Leeds now by all accounts.
     
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  12. City1904

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    I don't get how Phil Brown isn't universally adored by our fans. He took us to Wembley for the first time in our history and gave us the best day of our lives. The year before he came in and changed us around and kept us up.

    Then our first season in the Premier League was amazing some of the best away days of my life.

    I think some fans have become a bit used to success and don't appreciate how flippin brilliant those years where under Brown. He was a character but I loved all four seasons under him.

    Also Southend fans love him and thought he would get poached in the summer as he guided them to seventh well above their financial means.
     
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  13. The B&S Fanclub

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    Europa League beating Benfica 2-1 in Amsterdam in 2013
     
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  14. The B&S Fanclub

    The B&S Fanclub Well-Known Member

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    Shakespeare kept them in the Premier League which counts as a success.

    Malcolm Crosby came in for Dennis Smith as Caretaker Manager at Sunderland and took them to the FA Cup final in the same season, losing 2-0 to Liverpool.
    Stayed for a couple of seasons before getting the tin-tack.
     
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    Southend are 9th and he is adored by their fans.
     
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  16. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    So they are, even so, I don't think that's really 'doing well', he's done alright. He got them out of League 2. I wouldn't want him back here.
     
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    Dills double deckers Well-Known Member

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    The Phil Brown enigma is a tough one. His achievement with City has to be His and our highlight. For this we owe him a great deal. Promo and the first 3 months may be the best we ever achieve. Definitely got found out but thats maybe not a surprise in the Prem.

    Must admit im surprised no Championship team has looked at Brown.And there lies the enigma. Why not??
     
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  18. Ernie Shackleton

    Ernie Shackleton Well-Known Member

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    Have we looked at him?

    History repeating and all that.
     
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  19. Dills double deckers

    Dills double deckers Well-Known Member

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    Good point. At this stage what would we lose. He seems to be in the wilderness. From his achievements here surely he would of had a stab at a club higher than Southend.
     
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  20. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    He did Preston. Didn't go well.
     
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