Many players and managers have been accusing Luis Suarez of diving especially to get penalty or free kick.Meaning of diving according to on line dictionary as follow: a. To plunge, especially headfirst, into water. b. To execute a dive in athletic competition.# c. To participate in the sport of competitive diving. Defination 'b' is more appropriate-to dive in athletic competition: in another word you are saying the person is cheating or deceitful. In the last game Stoke vs Liverpool Jonathan Woodgate fouled Luiz Suarez in the penalty box and he managed to stay on his feet, and because of the foul he was unable to get a a good shot on goal.If he had gone down we are not sure if the referee was going to be bold enough to give a spot kick. If you call Luis Suarez a diver what are you going to call those players that go down whether they are fouled or not.? Because Luiz Suarez is too quick many defenders are finding it difficult to mark him, and the only way they can stop him is by bringing him down.
I am sure the opinions will be divided on this one ( not so much our own fans but others coming on) but I say let them hate. We have a player of quality and even if he goes down too easy, he will learn. I think that is where people will have a problem, they feel he goes down too easy, does he get clipped? absolutely but is it enough to go down? There will be the big part of the discussion.
Definition b is an extension of a, so I disagree with the connection you've made there. Suarez is a diver because he goes down under minimal to no contact frequently, in order to con the ref. He's not the only one but he is a persistant offender, to suggest otherwise on the basis of one incident is daft.
He is a good player no doubt; but not in the Rooney Aguero RVP Torres league so he is not targeted that much. A lot of players dive but it is his playacting, use of hands, cheating and attempt to get players sent off that we do not need in the Prem. It is commonplace in South America but we don't need it here. His win-at-all-costs attitude is reminiscent of Diego
What I find strange is that we can't say he isn't a diver off the back of one incident where he stayed on his feet, and yet you and many other opposition fans cite things that have only happened once (handball, biting etc.) and use it as a stick to beat him with. How many incidents of handball do we see each week? Plenty How many of them are a last resort to prevent a goal? Few. How many of them are in matches as important as a World Cup quarter final? None.
Yeah, but would he have done it against the mighty Genk? Playing Genk at home is far harder than playing Stoke away...
He is a good player who has disappointed in the Premiership; he would do better in Spain or Italy. But given the chance he may succeed.
Stop talking out your arse! Your on our board a lot and your posts are 50% wind ups and 50% sensible. If you want to come on here you are entitled to your opinion and that opinion may not be agreed with but I don't have a problem with that. The above post was just there to annoy.
Nah mate its simple! Vie hardly seen Carroll do anything... Ive only seen the highlights of your games but the fact he's not been in them much doesn't say a lot! Don't understand it though carool played mint for a season and a half for us
You're lucky, we get 100% nonsense from him on our board. Suarez is a very good player though and I'm not sure why you'd class Torres as being in a different league than him.
On present form, Suarez is a league above Torres, if anything. Although Suarez doesn't play for Chelsea, so he can't be very good.
Actually I would say the relevant definition of a dive is the act of voluntarily falling to the floor when you could stay on your feet. So either there is no contact, in which case it is cheating, or there is some contact in which case it's often debatable. This is the crucial thing. I would say if a defender tackles an attacker, fails to get the ball, and makes enough contact with the attacker to cause them to lose control of the ball then that is a foul. The problem is that it is almost impossible to objective determine when this has happened, and when the contact is marginal and not affected the attacker at all. So if the attacker doesn't dive they lose the ball and get nothing despite being fouled. It does seem a bit bizarre that players like Suarez, and also Ronaldo, Nani, Robben etc in the past, who are the players who are much more likely to get clipped by a defender enough to be knocked off the ball, but not enough to make them fall given their balance, are the ones who get reputations as divers. Like you say, for every "dive" they do (either without enough contact or with) they are usually clipped other times but have to stay on their feet to avoid getting a reputation and thus not getting the decision when they are genuinely fouled. In contrast, players like Adam and Berbatov (just the first two examples that popped into my head, there are probably more blatant cases) are able to take advantage of the most marginal of contacts and know that they'll get the decision cos they are rarely ever in those positions.
isn't he that Asian bloke who pretends to be gay, so he can get girls to undress in front of him, and to get away with feeling their knorks??
