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  1. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    I read this yesterday and smiled to myself about a 'conversation' I had with Banksy weeks ago after I'd watched Yeovil v Leicester.
    The bit below in bold is how both Yeovil and Leicester TRIED to play.

    'As England prepare to face Germany at Wembley tomorrow, Brentford’s manager of two and a half years says: “The nature of the game in both countries has changed.
    “I see Premier League games and the tempo is slow. There is much passing and the possession percentage is very high. But much of it is in each team’s own half. By contrast, there has been a clear change in the way the German team play since 2004. It is very, very quick and not interested in too much possession.
    “It is about quick movement, counter-attacking, being direct with quick passes and quick attempts on goal. In Germany, including the youth teams, they are very, very interested in quick, counter-attacking football. That is the modern game.

    SOD has ditched his 2mph game, was he listening to R/P I wonder, and now we play like Wimbledon Madrid.

    SOD - The more successful current style is absolutely dire to watch - please find a balance !
     
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  2. Shinycitylad7

    Shinycitylad7 Looking at the stars mate

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    As long as we remain unbeaten then I don't care. We just need to move up the table, be it hoof and ugly or sexy football. Results over performances
     
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  3. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    here here up the table we must go <laugh>
     
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  4. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    we play like Wimbledon Madrid ... No idea what that means.

    You above are confusing fast transition there with something else [probably?]. German football is based upon technical brilliance. The players are sophisticated and can switch to a variety of styles. Any of that realistically remind you of City or applicable?
     
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  5. wings-of-a-crow

    wings-of-a-crow Well-Known Member

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    i know i"m old etc etc, but what is it with this term sexy football?, all i ask is that a reasonablly agressive defender be able to disrupt the oppositions flow/ win the ball, and pass it to someone in the same shirt, meawhile another defender/midfielder position themselves in the vicinity to pick up said ball, in the event of a breakdown in play and pass it to another in the same shirt etc etc, .
    least thats how the game was first explained to me.
    sexy,? now thats between me and her indoors, on a lucky saterday, when shes had one too many vodkas, and city have won.
     
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  6. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Looked good England last night. Attempting to play high tempo football v Germanys C team. Football has moved on. England have not.
     
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  7. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Men against boys i'm afraid,different level the Germans.
     
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  8. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    I found Jurgen Klinsmann and Micheal Ballacks comments interesting regarding the original Anglo Saxon traits German football adopted. They carried on to do everthing better, fitness, pressing, technique, speed of thought all of it.

    Still unsure what the opening post is about. Evidently Yeovil and Leicester are at it.
     
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  9. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    "Still unsure what the opening post is about. Evidently Yeovil and Leicester are at it."

    Its alright, its Redprintt desperately trying to justify his long ball football comments from a few weeks back. We've seen it all before...;)
     
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  10. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    A combination that comes up around once a year then ? <laugh>
     
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  11. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    Banksy - You're memory is cr*p - have another read from early October.
    Like the bit about Southampton - you must wonder how I know these things.

    'SOD's version allows s**t teams to get back behind the ball and deny us space.
    We're never going to be a Barcelona, Bayern or Man City (I'm drawing 'pictures' for Logger) - they play totally different styles but importantly they have players with the ability to implement their own different 'style'. Also like the way Southampton play and how they press in the opponents half. I know they play in the Prem but it's about having players who can play the style the manager wants.
    This is the crux for me - We DON'T
    Leicester, last night couldn't wait to get the ball forward at times from Schmeichel. Other times he'd throw, his distribution is excellent. From that they'd thread early balls FORWARD along the ground. They're able to do that as space is still there - they don't waste time going back and for the back four 3 or 4 times as we do.
    Basically, I'm advocating getting the ball forward quicker while space is there - the absolute opposite of SOD's plan'


    And your pathetic reply -
    'Clog it up front as soon as possible then.!
    it's hardly a vision but I suppose you have at least offered something... I'm gonna stick with SOD for now as I'm not convinced by your visionary plan'.
    So you stuck with SOD - idiot. Now he's changed where exactly are you stuck now ?

    Whilst looking back I saw another of YOUR 'visionary plans'.
    'I agree with you ROD and its so painfully obvious it is one of the things that is a massive negative for me about SOD, JET is a luxury player'

    How many goals has Jet got ? - Plank.
     
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  12. smhbcfc

    smhbcfc Well-Known Member

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    I think our side does lack a bit of pace - this would help stretch teams and creates space to play passing football (see Sturridge's impact on Liverpool)

    I would also like to see us press as a team further up the pitch - are they fit enough to do that (lot's of late goals let in suggest not?)
     
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  13. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    'SOD's version allows s**t teams to get back behind the ball and deny us space.

    Worked fine at Port Vale and Carlisle. Difference being they did not intend starting with seven players and more behind the football i.e Shrewsbury.

    Basically, I'm advocating getting the ball forward quicker while space is there[/B] - the absolute opposite of SOD's plan'

    Wrong again. Playing a football long and short is what the head Coach advocates. Opinion - City have perform better when the ball moves through quick transitions of play e.g Carlisle. It is quite easy to stop though by not commiting players forward, loading midfield, and targetting those with abilty and letting the centre halves have it instead. The intent is to play to feet, the personell mind you .... Moving on.

    Schmeichel distribution is exceptional. Truly exceptional. That costs. City don't have it.

    Southampton press in the opponents half, yes so do Bayern Munich, it's called Gegenpressing, it is not easy to do, the entire team have to work in unison. Serioulsy City do not have the players at their disposal to do similar YET, or have the spending power to purchase an XI to do all the orther things you want.
     
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  14. Sixtyseconds

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    Read this sketch twice.

    Red the tactician ...

    Wants players to press in the opponents half

    AND

    Counter-attacking.

    Think about it.

    Lordy City will have to be good.
     
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  15. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> Banksy got a lecture, why don't you all listen to Redprint you're all idiots, but Banksy you are a plank <laugh>
     
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  16. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> He must have been stewing on that for weeks.. Yet still manages to talk bollocks..

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  17. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    'but Banksy you are a plank'

    RODney - have to say that made Victor smile.

    'City have perform better when the ball moves through quick transitions of play e.g Carlisle. It is quite easy to stop though by not commiting players forward, loading midfield, and targetting those with abilty and letting the centre halves have it instead. The intent is to play to feet, the personell mind you ....'

    Clifton - Utter gobbledygook.
    Ps - Your coaching manual needs a spell checker.

    You'll all be glad I will instruct further Saturday evening.
    Bet you can't wait.
     
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  18. Bigjohnatyeo

    Bigjohnatyeo Well-Known Member

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    Can't wait RP...wonder if I will agree with you!!!
     
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  19. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Typed at speed. It is a football forum not an exercise in English.

    It is not gobbledygook. Others spotted your inconsistency. Yes press high up the pitch, yes counter attack quickly, err no there is no space to do so unless you meant the opposition. Maybe you meant something else!

    The manner Carlisle [A] played was made for City = wide open spaces to attempt to exploit. Shrewsbury presented a achiles heel. Citys players will struggle to pass through a team putting ten players in their own half, even if all were up to moving the ball forward quickly [fast tra ...].

    Without a hint of malice, or scorn you entertain not instruct.
     
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  20. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    Cliftoville its all a smokescreen to detract from his 'hoof it up front' philosophy He got stuck with a few weeks ago..<laugh>

    And he patently hasn't thought it through but a few random comments from some German commentators gave him a lifeline that he is trying to adapt to his comments.

    You know what they say about lost arguments when it reduces to a grammar lesson..

    I can't help but like him though..;)
     
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