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Steve Bruce sees the future more clearly than Greg Dyke and his blurred vision

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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    Good piece from Martin Sameul...

    Commissions will not solve the youth crisis in English football. Managers will, owners will, coaches will.

    On February 21, Hull City appointed Tony Pennock, a former journeyman goalkeeper from the lower leagues, most famous for a horrible mistake in goal for Yeovil Town, much beloved by compilers of blooper reels.

    Hull poached Pennock from Swansea City but as he wasn’t a player the news garnered no headlines nationally. Felix Magath was the new manager of Fulham, and Wayne Rooney was on the point of signing his new contract that day. Pennock’s title is academy and community manager.

    Put the word community into any job title in football and eyes glaze over. The national media passed over the announcement and the local newspaper rated it worthy of no more than six paragraphs.

    Yet even in a season when Hull have reached Europe and, on Saturday, make their first appearance in an FA Cup final, Pennock’s arrival may be the most significant development at the club in decades. The role of the new man is to arrest a barren period stretching back to March 25, 2000.

    On that day, occupying 18th place in the fourth tier of English football, Hull lost 1-0 at home to Darlington. A teenage central midfield player called Adam Bolder was in the side. He was sold to Derby County two days later. And this remains the last time a local player rising through the youth ranks reached 20 appearances for Hull City; 14 years ago.

    It is not as if Hull have been charting a wholly stellar path since, either. Fortunes have greatly improved of late — as the Wembley fixture with Arsenal indicates — but the time since Bolder’s last game still includes four full seasons in the fourth tier, one in tier three and another six in what is now called the Championship. And still no local heroes.

    This is what Pennock has been charged to address, by manager Steve Bruce. A former Manchester United captain, who saw first-hand the impact a vibrant youth policy can have on a club, Bruce’s take on Hull’s homegrown void is straightforward. ‘Where are all the young players from Hull?’ he asked. ‘There are too many chimney pots here for there not to be any footballers.’

    And he is right, of course. Hull City has a huge catchment area in East Yorkshire, rising north to Middlesbrough and west to Leeds. A local penchant for rugby league offers no explanation, either. The whole North West has to put up with competition from the oval ball, and it is not as if those clubs are bereft. Bruce has now ordered what has been termed a root-and-branch review of how Hull scout for players in the under-eight to under-16 age groups.

    The aim is to create a category two standard academy, which is what Pennock did at Swansea. At the moment, Hull are the only category three club in the Premier League, and pitch their young players in with Scunthorpe United and Burton Albion, not the top tier. Obviously, that has an effect. The focus from here will be on local areas, too, such as the working- class constituency of East Hull and Holderness, north of the city, rather than familiar hunting grounds in Ireland.

    Pennock has begun by sounding out leading youth-team coaches in the Hull Boys’ Sunday League, feeding new names into junior structures that Bruce has been determinedly overhauling. Hull now have the beginnings of a youth development squad in the under 21 age group, under the guidance of Stephen Clemence.

    Seriously, though, what took them so long? The most mystifying element of this is how a club like Hull — and there will be many others that are similar — became so detached from football’s essence that they have gone 14 years without producing a player worthy of their shirt?

    Greg Dyke, the Football Association chairman, said he found the thought of Manchester City winning the league depressing, because only two of their first-team regulars, Joe Hart and James Milner, are English. Yet at least clubs pursuing a place among the elite have mitigation for the number of expensive imports in their team. They are looking to compete with Real Madrid or Manchester United and that is not going to happen in the current climate without substantial cost.

    Yet why were no players coming through at Hull when the club were in the fourth tier? That is the question Bruce has been asking. ‘We’re going to have to improve the whole youth structure,’ he said. ‘We need to push it along and start producing our own.’

    This is why the hasty response of Dyke’s commission, with its talk of B-team leagues and feeder clubs, is so misjudged. Correction is coming, naturally, because a combination of home-grown player rules and financial fair play make the old ways unworkable. Abolish the loan system to prevent stockpiling and we would almost be home.

    Change will happen because Hull will start next season’s Europa League campaign with a squad of 21, not 25, as UEFA insist four players must have been developed by the club. Nobody fits the bill beside fourth-choice goalkeeper Mark Oxley, who is now ineligible having spent last season on loan at Oldham Athletic.

    Clearly, this cannot go on, but a B league or an arrangement with Lincoln City would not solve it. Getting the numbers of young English players up is about individual will: a manager who realises resource-sapping use of the transfer market is inefficient, an owner who is willing to back a long-term plan with the necessary investment. On July 1, Hull City’s academy will relocate to Bishop Burton, a further education college specialising in agricultural and equine matters and possessing outstanding sports facilities. A way forward is emerging.
    Howard Wilkinson, one of the commission members, joined Dyke in his gloomy presumption that English participation will continue on a downward trend. Yet that is not the present mood. It is precisely because young players are beginning to come through that Roy Hodgson has been able to name England’s youngest World Cup squad since 1958. Any club who are not, right now, ploughing resources into youth development are out of step with current trends.

    Dyke, too, picked the wrong target in Manchester City last weekend. He should not be depressed by them. No club in the Premier League have shown greater long-term commitment to youth than the current champions. Cynics may regard the Etihad Campus as little more than a PR exercise, but there is tangible impact and progress which suggests, whatever the motives, the results will be hugely beneficial to the English game.

    There are two projects at Manchester City. The short-term throwing of money at world-class players to get inside the gates of the Champions League castle before the elite clubs and UEFA upped the drawbridge; and the long-term establishment of an academy providing future generations of players, without the need for huge spending.

    On Sunday, after Dyke had singled out City for criticism, the club made a firm counterpoint by having their Premier League trophy carried out by three English representatives — two of them captains and with the club since primary school age — of their very successful under-11, under-14 and under-18 teams, who are all national champions. In addition, Manchester City’s under-16 team now holds the record for the most England junior internationals from one club in a season: seven.

    So while City may not be the finest standard-bearers for English football right now, the hope is for change and the club are investing in making that change. Like Hull, they may only be on the ground floor, but concepts such as the elite player performance plan and the changes to pitch and goal sizes at junior levels are in their infancy, too.

    Only 24 per cent of the starting players in the Premier League were English this year. ‘Do we wait until that becomes 20 per cent, or 18 per cent?’ asked Dyke. No, because it won’t. The tide is turning. English football does not need another big idea. A few hundred little ones will work just as well.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...y-Greg-Dyke-blurred-vision.html#ixzz31foWysFX
     
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  2. Happy Tiger

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    Brucie, backed completely as ever by Dr Allam. A match made in heaven if ever there was one and I hope its a massive long term one.

    Good to see the club finally addressing this finally.
     
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  3. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    What a good article, and obviously well researched.
     
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  4. Amin Yapusi

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    Over the moon to finally see this being sorted out finally.

    We'll never afford Ronaldo or Messi, but better might come through our ranks one day.
     
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  5. pierredelafranchesca

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    Good article, assume a player like Caireny is discounted as not a local player as he was initially with the Leeds acadamy?
     
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  6. Amin Yapusi

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    I imagine so, but Liam Cooper surely made 20 appearances?
     
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  7. originallambrettaman

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    Liam only played 17 games for us.

    And Cairney doesn't qualify as he plays for Blackburn.
     
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  8. bum_chinned_crab

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    Well no, the article talks about Bolder being our last homegrown with 20 games and I assume when pierredelafranchesca and Hat mentioned Cairney they meant isnt he the last home grown with 20 games?

    So it either is Cairney or he doesnt qualify cos he came through TWS youth ranks.
     
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    Got ya.

    In that case, Cairney does qualify, as he played for us eighty times and was with us for seven years.
     
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    Great article btw and thanks for sharing. I have always questionend this myself but not so much for our club, but why there arent more Hull born players around at other clubs? Who was the last to reach a really good level - Prutton? I suppose we can count Robinson, it's near enough. Mike Edwards had a good career but always lower league. Any more?
     
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    Paul Anderson, who we swapped with Liverpool for John Welsh?
     
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  12. Obadiah

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    Nicky Barmby played at an high level.
     
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    Great article. I think a better level of interaction with the HBSFL is needed. I spent a few years coaching a grass roots team and I can count on one hand how many scouts I saw (they're meant to make themselves visible to team manager's showing ID), and none were from City!

    Adding to which I think the movement of young players within grass roots football should be limited to school catchment areas - e.g. if there is a team near you, that is the one you play for. In recent years I have known players travel 20 miles to the other side of Hull to play for a team which is deemed to be one of the "best" in that age group, when there are teams in their local villages\towns etc screaming out for players just to field 11 every week!

    Grass roots should be about educating and improving skills, not going out to batter other teams week in, week out.

    Recent U10 results...

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  14. bum_chinned_crab

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    Yeah, the key was when I said "Who was the last to reach a really good level?" and then named people who played at a really good level after Barmby did.....
     
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  15. TheCasual

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    Does Martin Samuel have any links to Hull? He seems write about us a lot and seems to like us.

    Anyway great article. It does seem strange they aren't a great deal of Hull born football league players.
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    No links that I'm aware of, but him and David Conn seemed to be the two most clued up sports journalists(Michael Calvin in the Independent is also good).
     
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    Deano didn't do too bad.
     
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    That's what I thought, but as a Nottingham lad and then trained at TWS, i assume that's why they maybe don't consider him local??? Even if he was classed as local though, it does make only him, Robinson and Prutton that made the top league as a 'local' player in the last 10 years, pretty mental really considering the size of the area
     
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  19. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    Could not agree more ^^^^^ this. More than overdue.

    Martin Samuel has just won the sports journo of the year award again and is very very good. He plus Henry Winter and Patrick Barclay are the best 3(by far) around.

    The point of Martin's article just shows up the FA and Dyke with his commission for what they are.
     
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    I've met Martin Samuel a few times, and he's a top bloke.

    Definitely the best sports journo out there.
     
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