Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

Problem is most MP's live in a bubble of like minded people so only get a few different views from similar type groups. Even most of the top civil service comes from groups out of touch with working class people

 

I had to do a double take with your post Flanders, I thought I must have wrote it It reflects my feelings exactly, even down to getting on my bike

 

See what you have done now flanders. I try to keep away from political posts but you have set me off now .

Not my words but agree 100% with it.

When I’m going to work on the motorway at 630am I see lads in work vans. Lorry drivers trying to get to the next drop. People in cars on the way into their offices. The grafters and strivers that make Britain tick. The people who allow Rachel Reeves to give money out like there is no tomorrow. We need looking after as well. We aren’t there only to get more and more money taken off us. We don’t mind paying our taxes as long as we get value for money. The harder we work the better off we want to be. We want a country that works for us not a country that works for everyone else who doesn’t pay for it

 

Regarding this two children cap . . . .
I can only speak from my own experience, but we decided about the amount of children that we had based on what we could afford . . . . sensible/responsiblle parenting, I believe.

We had to balance our income against living costs, and it doesn't feel fair that some families now can ignore this and have as many kids as they want because they will be financially supported by the government (by us, who pay taxes to do so) for every child that they have . . . . irresponsible parenting, I believe.

Limiting the amount of kids that we have to what we can afford seems like the right, and responsible, thing to do.

Having said that, it would be any 'additional' children that suffer if there's a cap, children that didn't ask to be brought into this world, and who aren't to blame for the decisions/irresponsibility of their parents . . . . children that if taken into care would cost the state far more money than any benefits provided.

 

Couldn’t put it better myself

 

Agree with most of this. The only thing I’d say is that things change. You can have a job then lose it, you can get injured, your partner can leave you, you can meet someone who hasn’t got kids and wants one - I’ve literally just been talking to a couple in bakery who are having their first child together but the mother has had two previously. There are definitely some who need not to have any at all never mind three but people seem to be judging the lowest common denominator as is life these days.

My position is exactly your last paragraph. Life chances for the kids is better without poverty and there is a knock on cost to the books from children being in poverty. Plus kids just deserve a bit of joy. Especially if life isn’t easy. Most of my political position is based on wanting services to help kids and families have an easier life. I’ll vote for whoever is electable who’d provide the best of that. If the position is cuts bollocks to them.

 

I'm not convinced that lifting the cap is entirely down to wanting to reduce child poverty. We have an aging population, a declining birth rate, and a distaste for immigration. Someone has to come in behind us to pay for us old buggers in retirement. I'm not sure this will increase the birth rate but something needs to be done or in 20 - 30 years the country will be in a far worse financial state than we are even now.

 

I said earlier there was a lass on BBC news saying she is now £300 a month better off. This can’t be right when it’s coming from pensioners who are getting just over double this to last a month.
Pay her this money by all means but get it from somewhere else.

 

You'll have to explain that one to me, how would a pensioner in that situation be paying for this?

 

Labour are far from perfect but compared to the corrupt and inept Tories who laid waste to large parts of the NE they are saints.

Thatcher was wicked that what Tory apologists need to know marra

 

Ron’s dad just needed to get a bike.

 

This is going well...

 

ill never understand a party that wants to tax the wealthy who have worked extremely hard to get to where they are, to give it to bone idle people who play the system for what they can get, without getting off their fat arses.
A lot of Wealthy people employ a lot of people. These people in turn pay taxes.
These people are paying 40% of what they earn over the threshold. I know there will be plenty of loopholes they use.
However surely the answer isn't to tax the rich, to supplement the lazy