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humanbeingincroydon said:
How about you read my post properly, specifically the part that states "It doesn't say grounds should change to all-seater stadiums anywhere in the report."

No disasters on the scale of Hillsborough, you say? 127 died in the Accra Sports Stadium in 2001, which makes it bigger on a human scale, whilst the Heysel disaster also resonated through football and is still mentioned today.

Maybe you'd learn something you don't know, and judging by your reply there's plenty you don't know other than how to be unnecessarily arsey in response to my posts, if you pulled your head out of your backside once in a while.
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Its still all drivel :) and you still refuse to acknowledge my original point, you have misread if you think I meant anything that you've put. I refer to Hillsborough only as the most commonly brought up incident......when did the PL last have a minutes silence for Accra or any of the others, neither did they directly prompt changes in OUR league. As long as your satisfied with your answers, thats all that matters eh!
 
I obviously remember when WHL was majority standing. I don't recall any serious incidents, but I do remember a few scares. The problem is what they used to call "the sway" one person stumbles and starts a sway that can effectively crush others at the front or against the barriers. I can remember as a kid having to be evacuated from the front a few times because of it.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I obviously remember when WHL was majority standing. I don't recall any serious incidents, but I do remember a few scares. The problem is what they used to call "the sway" one person stumbles and starts a sway that can effectively crush others at the front or against the barriers. I can remember as a kid having to be evacuated from the front a few times because of it.
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I often experience similar in the mosh pit at the Brixton Academy. A well-aimed elbow usually stops it...
 
HBIC I hope it's lucozade that keeps you energised and not them little green men.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I obviously remember when WHL was majority standing. I don't recall any serious incidents, but I do remember a few scares. The problem is what they used to call "the sway" one person stumbles and starts a sway that can effectively crush others at the front or against the barriers. I can remember as a kid having to be evacuated from the front a few times because of it.
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I remember a NLD in the Eighties that was very "uncomfortable" as we were packed very tightly in and there was constant pushing/moving. If you fell over, you were in a bit of trouble. I would imagine, if they bring back standing, that state of the art terracing will be brought in, with the correct breaks etc. Be interesting to see how they do it.
 
"I remember a NLD in the Eighties that was very "uncomfortable" as we were packed very tightly in and there was constant pushing/moving.
If you fell over, you were in a bit of trouble."

That scared me on the couple of occasions as a kid where I was in the herd and not at the front.
You would get held up by the contact of adjacent people during the crowd movement.
But every time I felt my foot on the edge of the terrace step and slipping a bit was total panic.
 
SpursDisciple said:
I remember a NLD in the Eighties that was very "uncomfortable" as we were packed very tightly in and there was constant pushing/moving. If you fell over, you were in a bit of trouble. I would imagine, if they bring back standing, that state of the art terracing will be brought in, with the correct breaks etc. Be interesting to see how they do it.
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Yes, I was thinking about how they might do it. No way the old system can we used - way too dangerous. Any barriers also have to be very, very solid. I can remember back in the sixties barriers collapsing under the weight of the swaying crowd being pushed up against them - result, chaos and injuries.
 
You would be standing in the crowd and something would brush your head.It would be kids being lifted over your head to the front!
The were also stewards who would bring late comers forward to gaps in the crowd by hand signals.Worked too.Ticked the early comers off though!!!!!
 
It's a real problem to engineer it so that it's safe and it works. I don't like to say it, since it ends up being an argument against bringing back standing sections, but designers of new standing areas could screw up again. It's not just generals that always fight the last war. Hillsborough happened among other reasons because the only thing anybody was concerned about regarding crowds was stopping pitch invasions and clashes between fans. Preventing another Hillsborough, and only preventing another Hillsborough, will also be an inadequate design idea. Still, assuming the engineers do a thorough job researching the various tragedies, they ought to be able to make them as safe as seated areas.
 
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