Put your hand up if you crave stability. Put your hand up if you want our club to be informed, decisive and intolerant of low quality performance. Are those things at odds or can we have a little bit of both? In my opinion, you can have a bit of both. I'll try and keep this simple... When things go wrong at a club you can lose a sense of what's right and what should be do-able. You can hang on thinking things might pick up soon or you might start accepting small, inadequate successes as a sign that things are ok and might get better. But, if you really take stock of our situation, it is blindingly obvious to any person that we are seriously under-performing and are making seriously inadequate plans for each game. Our tactics have been utterly ineffective against high quality and lower quality opposition. The individual players don't even look that bad. We simply have shoddy matchday plans. Obviously things are not working and this has gone on long enough to show that even if there was improvement it would be too little, too slow and way overdue. But how can you hope to have a secure stable club and at the same time be intolerant of such inadequacies? This is how: You have directors who firstly are informed. They know who is experienced and who is likely to deliver. You don't gamble lightly on unproven talent. You are decisive in an informed way; you know when things are going south and when things are unlikely to get better. You make the changes needed to keep the club in good health. You need to have high standards. You have to have realistic ambitions and then work for them. Any serious lack of performance needs to be reviewed and dealt with. The more the club is well informed, decisive and intolerant of failure, the more likely there is to be stability naturally. Stability is irrelevant if you make bad appointments and can't do what's needed to protect the health of the club. You can't manufacture stability but refusing to make important decisions. You'll end up with low self esteem all around. Stability should be a natural occurrence born out of wise decision making. Those who know me will know I did well to keep this as short as I have. Apologies for the small essay!
Nice to see a thoughful take on what we have mostly been taking as two polar stances. For me, I crave the stability (and tend towards the blind faith in what we have) but have lost respect for the greedy man at the helm. I don't believe that the club is rotten to the core (the lower wages, younger and newer squad address that) so don't necessarily subscribe to lowered expectations but the successful managers tend to be the ones that stay (although whether they stay due to some criteria of progress being met or just large amounts of time is another question). I was expecting more at this stage (primarily the energy of our performances) but no longer know if my view is tainted by losing respect for jFH.
I am not going to bang on about this forever (there are those that will) but we HAD a winning formula with NW. Getting rid of him was the start of this mess.
I would have liked Warnock to be given the whole season back in those days myself but that was a long time ago and a lot has changed since then. Several mistakes have been learned from but certain ones really have. Warnock deserved so much more time than JFH and CR. Warnock actually had accomplishments to back up his claim to stay. But now we need to be decisive. Not in the way we've been before (leading to the Warnock problem) but in a well informed, wise way. I just wonder if we have the people at the club to do that.
Somebody 'gambled lightly on unproven talent' with Klopp, Mourinho, Pochettino, Ferguson, Clough B etc etc etc at some stage. I'm quite happy for us to do this in principle but the people doing the gambling don't have a clue. Stability is fine if you are making visible progress, or at least making money, we are doing neither and don't look likely to. In these circumstances permanent and destructive scorched earth revolution is at least more entertaining.
If I was in the decision making progress, I'd be on the phone to NW 24/7 trying to get him back, at least for a season.
Ideally I'd like us to try someone we've never had as manager before. I'm not usually one to want to go back. Although, we should have given Warnock the job when he came back to us for a stint not long ago.
Essentially you're agreeing with everything I say but somehow making it seem like you're disagreeing As I said, gambling lightly on unproven talent. My point is that those making the decisions at our club don't seem to have the best judgement when gambling on unproven talent and seem to do it based on too little. Of course, there's also the fact that you could give the managerial job to the toilet cleaner at the club and it would work out maybe 1 in a 100 times.
Warnock didn't want to stay because it was ( I'm assuming ) made clear to him that SLF was going to be an active DoF for the club. Warnock naturally felt someone looking over his shoulder would be a pain.......... rightly so. I'm starting to like the sounds of 'Sb's scorched earth policy. Seems like Donald Trump has taken it onboard for the likely heavy defeat.
On paper JFH seemed like a reasonable choice after the failure of experienced managers like Hughes and Redknapp and the total inexperience of Ramsay. Honestly don't know where we go next, unless there is a miracle turnaround in performance JFH is on borrowed time.
Not sure if I have got wrong end of the stick here but the managers you mentioned were established or had won things whereas Jimmy has done nothing. I would also add that those managers joined clubs that were established with good players rather than starting from scratch.
I was referring to their first jobs - Clough Hartlepool, Klopp - Mainz lower League where he stayed 7 years, Ferguson - East Stirlingshire, St Mirren, Pochettino was assistant coach of Espanyols ladies team before being made coach, Mourinho started as a translator rather than a coach. My point was even highly successful managers are risky newcomers at some stage, but there isn't a hope in hell that Les and Tone will find an unknown with potential. Especially if the extent of the fans' imagination and ambition is Warnock. And I can't imagine why an established and successful manager would want to come to QPR, unless he was lied to. I reckon we will get a fading known 'name' with a deeply average record as next manager.
Okay but I will add that without being disrespectful to those other clubs mentioned (East Stirlingshire and Co) that they are not exactly QPR Playing in the championship, spending £3M on one player and were a prem club 2 years ago. I will say that you could well be right with a 'Fading name' manager coming in.
Fair enough. I am increasingly pissed off that we missed out on Paul Clement. I think he left Derby because of an interfering chairman, would have given us a clear footballing approach and I would have been much more inclined to give him time.
Stability FC V Decisive Intolerance FC Both sides need a win and it could go either way The winners face Anxiety & Insomnia Non Athletic FC
