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So You Think - Classic 2011

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Zenyatta, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. Zenyatta

    Zenyatta Active Member

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    I was thinking that as well.

    He has to break quickly and get out front or he's got no chance.
     
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  2. Dancingbraveforever

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    Agreed and he has to try and demoralize them by galloping them into the ground.But even saying that he would probably set it up for a fast finisher.
    Thats the only possible way he can win,providing he takes to the dirt of course.
     
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  3. kiyonemakibi

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    I'm not really up to speed on these things, but looking at those European horses that did do well in the Classic (Arcangues' shock win apart) is there any special reason why Giant's Causeway and Sakhee did so well? Swain too I guess, who might have won if Dettori hadn't had such a nightmare that day.
     
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  4. Janabelle13

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    Track has gone against SYT - "peanut butter" consistency apparently
     
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  5. Zenyatta

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    I've decided not to back him. They're all coming back in plastered in dirt and that cannot be in his favour.

    I'll be cheering him on but without the weight of my money on his back. He's sure to win now. <cheers>
     
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  6. Zenyatta

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    After the Prince Of Wales' Stakes back in June i said the following about So You Think:

    "He ran as if he didn't stay. Whether that was because he didn't stay or because he wasn't fit is open to conjecture. However the fact that Aidan O'Brien has suggested as such i am prepared to believe him on this occasion. Similarly it seems very hard to believe that he does not stay 10f considering his form.

    The pacemaker was a massive hindrance to his chances. He was probably the quickest horse in the field so i cannot understand why they felt the need to set an electric pace which could only suit the staying types (like Rewilding) and go against the speed horses. I don't think the pacemaker was of any help whatsoever and was a possible hindrance."

    Given the suggestion by Aidan O'Brien that SYT will revert to a mile next year it appears that i may have been on the money. I must admit that if i had stuck to my guns i would have saved myself a whole heap of money this season.

    I have thought he has run like a slight non-stayer in quite a few of his races (in particular both races at Ascot, and yesterday evening), but, given his form, it is a difficult argument to accept. I am not necessarily saying that he doesn't stay 10f, because i think he does. The problem is that he just doesn't see it out quite as strongly as others. This fact was highlighted on the dirt, with more of an emphasis on stamina, last night when he looked dangerous before fading in the closing stages.

    Looking forward to seeing him over a mile next year. I still get the impression that the Ballydoyle boys feel they haven't yet got the best out of the horse. Interesting to see what they can find next season.
     
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  7. Cyclonic

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    Give him back to Bart. <whistle>
     
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  8. Zenyatta

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    I have huge respect for Aidan O'Brien as a trainer but he does seem to still be uncertain about how to get the best out of SYT.

    Bart is a miserable bastard though . . . <laugh>
     
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  9. Cyclonic

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    When asked if AOB had at any time contacted him to talk about the horse, Cummings said he hadn't heard a peep.
     
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  10. Ron

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    Let's face it Cyc. What does Bart Cummings know about the horse? AOB know's best.
     
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  11. Zenyatta

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    Here here. It's hardly like Bart did well with the horse or anything . . . <whistle>
     
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    ive said before i think his consistency is down to the fact hes been racing over 9-10f and didnt run that much below form over 12f.

    he will be almost 6 next year and surely wont cope dropping back to a mile?in his younger days he failed to win over a mile.

    i think o brien will get him in a weak mile gp1 somewhere and he'll probably win and that will be it,retired!
     
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  14. Zenyatta

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    That was in Australia though where the races are run very differently. Peter Moody said regarding Black Caviar that the Golden Jubilee is more like a 7/8f race in Australia. Therefore i can only assume that 10f races are more like our 8f races. Though i am sure that Cyc can offer a more knowledgeable opinion on this matter.
     
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    I'm happy to leave it to Pete Moody.
     
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    If SYT goes over a mile next season he'll see plenty of Frankel's rear end <laugh>
     
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  17. Cyclonic

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    Just a thought. Leaving aside the debate about the talent of Workforce, we saw him fail to get close to his three year old form. I've seen quite a few wonderful horses fail to recapture their earlier form, so with this in mind, what chance that Frankel will lose some of his gloss when he returns as a four old?

    As a possible way of supporting this thesis, can anyone recall any other fantastic three year olds who couldn't go on with it the next season?
     
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  18. Ron

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    Not off hand; most were stronger and better. Maybe some of those retired at 3 would have been prime examples.
     
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    Only if he has really good eye sight...<whistle>
     
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  20. Zenyatta

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    <laugh>
     
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