ok so we didnt sign dempsey is not the end of the world for f**k sake i personally think its a good thing we didnt sign him, he didnt fit in to fsg template of going for younger players who will have a resale value, the other point i would like to make is it shows other teams we wont be bent over and made to pay over the top for any player. i feel most of the marquee signings will be made in january as teams in and around us would have already brought most of their players in in this transfer window which will mean we will have less competion to deal with when january comes round and more value for money. remember guys we have 4 strikers not 2 suarez,borini,morgan,Samed Yesil, ok people will say the youngsters are not ready but give them a chance and they might just surprise us, remember when michael owen had his debut season with us i think he ended the league top goal scorer at the age of 18 so its not beyond the realms to think morgan or yesil could bang in a few. some fans just need to calm down and realize we will get there but it will take time, in the meantime lets get behind our team and manager in a positive manner and not a negative one.
that's exactly what I think. The anti-FSG bandwagon is growing over their reluctance to sign a player that wouldn't fit in perfectly with our new, young, system . Everyone needs to relax, look at the window as a whole (positively), and give the manager our backing. Yes they made a mistake with Carroll, but it's better than all the mistakes last year. I'm sure we have some talented youngsters in Morgan, Yesil, Pacheco and Sterling who have a bright future at the club. If anything we've now forced BR's hand in giving youngsters a chance. It's win win.
Firstly 6mil is hardly paying over the odds. Secondly we loaned out Carrol on the proviso that at least 1 player would be coming in. On this issue of FSG policy, you can not buy only young players and expect any element of success. Our team is shortly going to be losing Carra and possibly Gerrard and we have already lost Maxi, Kuyt and to a much lesser extent Aurelio. Perhaps Dempsey is no world class striker but for 6mil he would have been a very valuable player; he is flexible anywhere across the front and scores goals on a regular basis. In perhaps 2 seasons he still may have a resale value of 2-3 mil depending if he replicated the form he showed at Fulham. Now not only do we not get him but he adds strength to one of the other four teams challenging for the 4th spot. Not sure it shows other teams anything but we have lost our ambition, worryingly this may also be the case within the existing squad. Your last point about time is a good one, however, it will take a damn sight more time if we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot or refuse to pay 1mil extra for a player that a) scores goals for fun, which we desperately need, b) wanted to join us, c) is an established prem player with a goos international record to boot d) would have added an element of experience to the squad, as well as perhaps the typical American mentality of a winner.
Mine is not an anti-FSG stance. I simply am bewildered at some of the decisions that have been made by whoever!
a) scores goals for fun in a system that works for him, towards him, anything - just get the ball to Dempsey. He's not going to play the same role at LFC. He was Fulham's Gerrard, their dynamo. Just like Charlie Adam at Blackpool, who also scored quite a few goals those last few seasons at Blackpool. b) tons of players around the globe want to join us. Joe Cole wanted to join us. c) Downing and Cole were established prem players with a solid international record. d) We've got enough experience as it is, with Gerrard, Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, and more on the other side of 26, replacing Carra and Gerrard eventually with Lucas and the likes. If it were Falcao and they were haggling over 1m I understand all your points and I agree, but he's not and never will be. He's a player a lot of people like, but he's nothing extraordinary. We need extraordinary. 3m could have gotten us Falcao 3 years ago, who's to say that 6 is risk free? Most players on the continent could go for 6. If there are better, younger alternatives, then the "failed" acquisition of Dempsey shouldn't be a problem. Now I do agree that we didn't get any alternatives, and the Carroll decision is a poor one, but if people suddenly start demanding answers over Dempsey then that's a bit fickle methinks.
andy as much as i love him has scored 6 goals in 44 appearances which is disgraceful, any of the youngsters i have mentioned above can surpass that in as many games hence why brendan doesnt rate him. as for the dempsey situation, yes he scores goals and yes 6million is not much nowadays but come january and we have the opportunity to buy a younger and better striker that 6mill we could have spent on dempsey could go towards buying a player who will be with us for 6+ years and still command a high transfer value if we decide to sell. just wait for the jan transfer window and if we dont sign a striker in that time then panic not now.
Its not fickle to want to know why 1mil is the difference between getting the player the manager wants or how that amount now leaves us with less options up-front, or why we loaned a player out well before we had secured a replacement! To say that Fulham played in a way that suited Dempsey and only Dempsey is ridiculous, played under Hodgson who plays a very conservative system that if anything was suited to Zamora and played under Hughes who once again did not play a system revolving around Dempsey. The simple reality is that he gets himself into great positions, makes late runs and can shoot from distance! Of course Cole wanted to come to us, we are paying him a huge amount at the twighlight of his career! The part about tons of players wanting to join us is highly debatable, perhaps in the not too distant past that was true, however without champs league, paying a fair amount or competitive wages that trend is only going to get worse.
I have never said Carrol is the answer or that he should not leave! However I am absolutely astounded that we have loaned him to someone else whilst not replacing him! We have had all summer to get the younger player you talk about, not sure why it will suddenly materialise in January?
A) its not about Dempsey alone its about appauling transfer business from a squad point of view. This isn't about one player its about the fact we've just watched a firsale of what was already a relatively small squad. B) Rodgers said only yesterday that he needed 1 or 2 more players and he got nobody. In reality we needed more than that. C) are you seriously saying we should be counting Morgan and Yesil as first team reghulars? We have two forwards for a system that requires 3 to even start a game. D) Where the **** is all the money going? I can take a wild guess on that one. You seriously think buying marquee signings will happen in Jan when prices are always more inflated anyway Not going to happen. E) Rather than some fans needing to calm down I would suggest "some fans" need to wake up and realise we've just been thrown an almighty curveball from the owners and possibly even by BR himself. F) if BR makes any kind of success of this job it will be inspite of the owners and not because of them. Do you honestly believe this is all some kind of cunning masterplan? It really isn't. Its a car crash. Its Plan C exploding in our faces just like Plan A and Plan B did. FSGs first priority is now and always will be the Red Sox because the majority of their target markets are in the States. While the Red Sox suffer their attentions are elsewhere and **** the rest of us.
It's not so much we didn't sign Dempsey, it's the fact we signed no one. It just seems a strange decision to let Carroll go with no one to come in. When the announcement was made thurs evening I thought we would make an early announcement yesterday morning. As time wore on I started to get that sinking angry feeling that nothing was gonna happen. In another thread I predicted we would sign no one because our transfers seem to take an age to complete. I was hoping to be proved wrong. Now we will see. It's time for the team as a whole to step up a gear or three in front of goal and finish off what our approach play deserves. I wonder how BR feels today. From what he was saying over the last few days and ESP yesterday he was expecting a couple of new players. Time will tell
Funnily enough I heard a whole truckload of people say that LAST January. Wake up lad. This has been an epic **** up by us and worse than that we've been getting bullshitted all along. Weren't we "not investing" in the stadium so we could concentrate all our attentions on investing in the first team? And yet here we are...with the owners not even handing over the money we make as a club never mind investing their money in it. Face it...we've been getting a right royal butt ****ing yet again
In fact far from us making "marquee" signings in Jan we're much more likely to see other teams making "marquee" signings of Suarez, Agger and Lucas etc
In a nutshell! Not just that but we refused to pay 1mil for a player that the manager seemed very keen on!
Well I won't be holding my breath for any straight answers that's for sure. BR will tell us he's a bit disappointed but he's happy with what he's got because what else can he say. Ian Ayre or whoever FSG shove in front of the media will tell us Fulham were trying to mug us. Then they'll tell us its really all part of their latest masterplan drawn up by their now famous network of "football experts". JW Henry will get his wife to flash her sexy titties at us at the Arsenal game tomorrow so we all forget everything that's ever happened before then while we're not looking he'll run off with our trophy cabinet and melt down our European Cup to fund the Red Sox next relief pitcher.
But where is everyone getting this information from? The club and Rodgers have not issued anything on that topic. BR could well have said, "I value Clint at 5m, not a penny more and if they want more well they better take Spurs offer". TAKABEP, i usually agree with you but some of your points are not rational. A) firesale? Not really. The only first team player gone is Carroll. Poor choice yes, firesale no. It was more of a clearance of deadwood. B) his fault, should have gotten them weeks ago, that's his job and one of the responsibilities he demanded to join the club. C) No, but Suarez, Sterling, Borini, Assaidi, Pacheco and Downing should be enough. I'm certain BR knows his formation well enough. D) What money? All money talk is pure speculation and no more reliable than the s*n. We don't know anything about club finances other than that we're not going to be spending freely obviously. We haven't gotten that much money overall from transfers and who knows what's in store for January? E) Wake up? A day after buying Allen we were being urged to support FSG. Back and forth, back and forth. F) Your opinion. Mine is that they spend most of their time running this club and they do make mistakes but their heart is in it and they are learning pretty fast. If Rodgers really wanted him, I'm sure that FSG would give an extra million. Had he really wanted him, we would have signed him in July. Some of you are so fickle it's hilarious. Stop blaming FSG, it's not them who told Rodgers to send Carroll out without giving him a chance, it's not them who didn't have a replacement lined up, but it is them who coughed up the money to buy Borini and Allen. One player, one player, and everyone starts accusing FSG of withholding funds, being like H&G and generally being scum. ****s sake, 2 years ago we would have sold Suarez, Agger and bought some sleazy player for cheap. Instead we get Allen and Borini for big money, and Sahin for big ambition. Add to that 2 unknowns like Yesil and Assaidi, the departures of players we've wanted gone and we've had a busy transfer period. Their one mistake this window has been not replacing Carroll, which is more BR's fault for giving the loan the green light 2 days ago! As for "freeing up wages", that money isn't recieved all of a sudden. It's just money that they won't be spending anymore. We tend to pay cash upfront as opposed to money over long periods of time, yet we recieve the opposite. It's been around since the Houlier days. Someone gives us 5m for Adam, it's not 5m in the bank to be used the next day. It's 500k per month for 10 months. So if we want Dempsey for 6m we still need to cough up 6m out of pocket. We already coughed up 26m roughly out of pocket this window. If you look at net spend, we may be recieving around 10m this window, but that will be drawn out over the next 12 months, yet the spending is one big splash now. It's still money spent out of investitors funds, money out of the company's bankrolls. We need to stop spending on hard working "proven" players like Adam, Downing, Dempsey, Cole, etc. and look at young upcoming players. We got a few of those, now its time to keep the faith. Any questions asked are ones that have been made up on the spot tonight. Look at fans like "Sam" on the BBC: From Sam, a Liverpool fan, on 81111 on text: "Fabio Borini appears to hate scoring, Joe Allen is a glorified Charlie Adam. The best we can hope for is a safe mid table finish this year. Awful transfer policy." It's never bad to question the leaders of a club, but to call for their heads and blame them for everything over this is laughable.
I'm not moving on...not for a quick flash anyway I want at least a 5 minute fumble with her in the bogs at half time. In fact I've just had an idea of epic proprtions...seeing as we're skint we could make a "movie" to help finance Januarys marquee signings...."Linda does Liverpool"...it'll be like Debbie does Dallas for the 21st century . I'm a ****ing genius...
Same for me. I think they are a positive, but whoever is responsible for last night needs a right earfull.
It's not so depressing, look at what the chavs spent to end up getting a thrashing. Champions of.. The Champions League, A Madrid Champions of Europe.
