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Wigan Manager is a right royal ar5e!

 

The working class, can kiss my arse,
I've got the foremans job at last.

 

Looks like Wigan are about to go one step further than Rochdale!

 

Well done Wigan
Manchester City won't be buying the Quadruple this season. Perhaps next year... X

 

sorry Lardi can't agree with you there.... Wigan are a repulsive Club who played extreme negative football last night.... it was in total contrast to Rochdale, the day before, who were a credit to L1 football.

 

They're only doing what all big Clubs have done before, and what all wanna be big will do again.

Great to see them pissing off the likes of Fergie, and now Mourinho, who were more than happy to spend, dominate & monopolise when it suited them.

There's no purity in poverty....Charlton have proved that, time and time again.

 

There's no achievement in buying success.

Is that really all some fans want Charlton Athletic to be - the Club with the richest sugar daddy?

That is all that Chelsea and Manchester City are; toys for billionaires.
Nothing they have won since they had access to unlimited funding means anything.
They have earned nothing. Not even jealousy as far as I'm concerned.

I would rather we played amateur non-league football for the pride of the badge than have a mega-wealthy twat turn us into his plaything.

 

I do see where you are coming from Mr Lardiman.

However, I think it is fair to say we all want Charlton to be successful. With that unfortunately comes all the baggage of the Premier League.

 

This subject probably deserves its own thread - maybe it already has one, as such an important issue must have been discussed many times before.

I do accept that there have always been teams who have had more resources at their disposal than others, historically usually because they enjoyed the highest income from home attendances. Charlton themselves were in that position about 70 years ago, but ultimately failed to invest enough to maintain their position.
But things are becoming more extreme now, and more disconnected from supporters than ever before.

When Charlton rose through the leagues in the 1930's it was because of hard work and great management by Jimmy Seed and his trainers and players. Some Millionaire didn't just come along and say "Here you go Mr Seed, a book full of blank cheques. Go out and buy all the best players from other teams and offer them a weekly wage equivalent to five years earnings for the average fan".

When Lennie Lawrence took us to the First Division and when Curbs got us into the Premiership, God knows it wasn't because some rich benefactor just pushed a fat wad of cash in their direction and told them to buy whoever they wanted and pay them stupid wages.
Their achievements were almost entirely down to their own hard work and skill and the team spirit that they created, sometimes in the face of appalling difficulties. What they did is something all Charlton fans can be rightly proud of forever.

When Liverpool dominated the 1980's and even the more recent era of Ferguson's Manchester United, the success they enjoyed was still at least as much down to the many talents of great managers as to the resources they had available to them. And those resources were still not provided out of the blue by a bored fairy godmother wanting a new toy to play with.

Against those achievements, what Chelsea and Manchester City have done to English Football - along with the all-powerful Premier League - is nothing short of shameful in my opinion. All of the silverware they have amassed is worthless. All of the winners medals of their players are fake, bought rather than earned.
Without Abramovich, would Chelsea have ever won the Premiership?
Without Mansur, would Manchester City even be established again in the top flight?

Manchester City can buy the Prem ten times in a row if they like. Means absolutely nothing.
Money has taken over from skill and man management. Greed has overwhelmed the values of fair play and sportsmanship.

Having to earn something is now widely mocked as quaint, old fashioned, a waste of effort and the occupation of mugs or fools.
Buying what you want is considered admirable, bizarrely even more so by some if the money is provided by an indulgent benefactor on a whim.

 

lardiman

When Charlton rose through the leagues in the 1930's it was because of hard work and great management by Jimmy Seed and his trainers and players. Some Millionaire didn't just come along and say "Here you go Mr Seed, a book full of blank cheques.

Equally some millionaire didn't just come along and take all of Jimmy Seed's best players, because in those days players couldn't be 'bought'...Offering silly Wages didn't come into play.

When Lennie Lawrence took us to the First Division and when Curbs got us into the Premiership, God knows it wasn't because some rich benefactor wanted and pay them stupid wages.
Their achievements were almost entirely down to their own hard work and skill.

Supported the team 100% throughout the Selhurst/Upton Park period, and Sunley spent relatively big at the time. 'Hard work and skill' yes, but we didn't achieve top flight football on that alone.

During the Curbs period that gave us PL football we were buying good players, we weren't selling. First player sold was Mills, which seemed to be done on our terms, didn't hurt us much as we still got promoted back to PL.
Losing our talent started in the PL when Chelsea waved their big FAT wallet around. More sales followed, down to money.

Greed has overwhelmed the values of fair play and sportsmanship.

Agree It has - If I could have my way I would go as far as having local kids playing for local Clubs, but it'll never be.
Money rules, and without it you will get left behind today.

Look at the money involved in the PL now - Many of us don't like what it's created but there's no denying the consequences.
There's no satisfaction in seeing talented homegrown players play half a season for Charlton, then sold to the highest bidder. Money doesn't guarantee they stay, obviously other variables come into play, but there no denying money could help, as other Clubs similar to us have proved.

If fans are serious when they say they're ambitious for the Club, how do they separate the reality that sustained success is only achieved with money, sadly without it any success achieved is short lived.

 

Just seen something laughably stupid on SSN.

A practice run of cyclists before some big road race somewhere... a great big car going along the road at something like 25mph, surrounded by a pack of maybe 100 cyclists or more, some riding so close to the car they could reach out and touch it.
For no apparent reason the car driver touches his brakes, and - surprise! Half a dozen of the tailgating riders lose their balance and all tumble over. Several riders injured apparently including one of ours.

Top idea that - drive along in a big heavy luxury car, surrounded by a gaggle of cyclists who probably don't even have any brakes.
How can anything go wrong?

 

I really like evileric on ITTV. Proper poster.

 

What a scandalous state of affairs at Dulwich Hamlet. The owner is demanding £13m for the stadium/ land by the end of this season else the Club will be closed. Now Rio Ferdinand (local lad) has stepped in with an offer of £10m to buy the ground & save the Hamlet - but the leech owner has said no.

Ferdinand is friends with the DH manager and has previously used the club to stay fit.

DH are facing the prospect of either closing or ground sharing somewhere else in London which would in effect mean closure.

The authorities have got to quickly wise up that these wonderful historic grassroots football clubs are the lifeblood of our game. Once they are lost or displaced you lose them forever.

It makes me fume

 

There is also this about Daggers
www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/sport/football/dagenham-and-redbridge/glyn-hopkin-resigns-as-director-of-dagenham-redbridge-1-5379842

 

What a fantastic offer from the market leader in coffee shops.

 

What’s the fantastic offer ?

 

Not telling you, read the menu.

 

50p off if you bring your own cup?

these hipsters know no bounds

 

The writing is too small

 

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