1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Sir Alex- Last of a Breed................

Discussion in 'Charlton' started by ForestHillBilly, May 6, 2018.

  1. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    .............of British managers who after their playing career ended went into management at a low level, proved their worth, and learned their trade before being head-hunted by bigger clubs. There is a vacancy at Arsenal, probably one at Chelsea, yet no-one gives a thought to the possibility of Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe being considered for either position. Sir Alex achieved success at East Stirling, St Mirren and Aberdeen, and that made him a target for Martin Edwards at Manure. He was given 3 years before winning a trophy. Neither of these things would happen now, in the era of so-called "super-coaches". Pep Guardiola is the most revered, but compared to the achievements of Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Jock Stein, Brian Clough, Sir Bobby Robson and Fergie himself he still has something to prove. Good luck to Fergie in his recovery.
     
    #1
    lardiman, DickPlumb, andy217 and 3 others like this.
  2. Ken Shabby

    Ken Shabby Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2011
    Messages:
    4,287
    Likes Received:
    2,827
    Good post FHB, ut you gave me a real shock - I thought this was going to be an RIP.
    Good luck to Sir Alex with his recovery.
     
    #2
  3. User deleted as requested

    User deleted as requested Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2013
    Messages:
    18,196
    Likes Received:
    8,079
    Sir Alex’s autobiography, Managing My Life, is a fascinating read.

    It is often underplayed what a fantastic job he did at Aberdeen - he smashed the Old Firm at a time when Scottish football was a lot stronger than it is now.

    He’s made some mistakes in his life - the Rock of Gibraltar affair backfired on him badly, but who hasn’t?

    His politics are not mine, but I have always respected the working class, patriotic wing of the Labour Party that sought to improve their lot through organised labour. The guacamole eating Lewisham Marxists now running Labour must be an anathema to Sir Alex.

    Get well soon.
     
    #3
    DickPlumb likes this.
  4. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    But it's the Will of the People that Lewisham is 100% Labour. Shame the Green lost his seat though,but that was the Will of the People.
     
    #4
  5. deleted.....

    deleted..... Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2011
    Messages:
    13,064
    Likes Received:
    4,764
    It was also the will of the People that the UK leaves the EU but you wouldn't believe it the way the Lords are carrying on <whistle>
     
    #5
  6. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    I may have heard that mentioned once or twice<whistle>.
     
    #6

  7. deleted.....

    deleted..... Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2011
    Messages:
    13,064
    Likes Received:
    4,764
    Perhaps you could tell Blair, Cable & Mandelson <ok>
     
    #7
  8. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Vince Cable is the only decent party leader out of the three main ones.
     
    #8
  9. User deleted as requested

    User deleted as requested Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2013
    Messages:
    18,196
    Likes Received:
    8,079
    <laugh>

    Has the sun got to you ?
     
    #9
  10. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Sorry, I forgot Caroline Lucas.
     
    #10
  11. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    47,417
    Likes Received:
    12,662
    It was the will of only 37% of the people. Stop posting fake news
     
    #11
  12. lardiman

    lardiman We can rebuild him Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2016
    Messages:
    13,827
    Likes Received:
    9,586
    But everybody had the opportunity to vote. A simple majority of those who voted was all that was required.
    If people don't want to vote then their lack of opinion cannot be credibly used in subsequent debate about the outcome of the referendum in my view.

    And of course the House of Lords has nothing to do with the will of the British people.
    That is both a traditional strength and a fatal modern weakness of our Parliamentary system.

    Democracy is the fairest ideal of governance, but we have an anti-democratic second chamber in our Westminster Parliament based entirely on hereditary rights, a State religion and favours to the powerful. Its role in stabilising the establishment is well known and it should not just be swept away without the most careful consideration as to what would replace it. But I think the House of Lords cannot be defended in its present form in the 21st Century.


    PS: Sorry, off-topic I know.

    I already expressed my good wishes to Sir Alex and his family & friends at this difficult time in another thread, but I repeat it now.
    One of our greatest ever managers, a man worthy of huge respect in my opinion, even from those who may not like him. I hope he does make as full a recovery as possible.
     
    #12
    Last edited: May 7, 2018
  13. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    47,417
    Likes Received:
    12,662
    So it wasnt and never will be the will of the people. It was a small majority of those that voted. Sadly those who did vote had no clue what they were voting for on either side.. the brexiteers wanted our parliament to be sovereign and are now bellyaching because they don’t like what it’s doing... if it didn’t have huge consequences it would be hilarious...
     
    #13
  14. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Wasn't there a ban on politics not so long ago on this forum? Clarification please, mods. Either it is allowed to creep back in or it is not.
     
    #14
  15. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    47,417
    Likes Received:
    12,662
    It was the mod that started it at post #5..
    My excuse and I am sticking to it.
    Besides my point wasn’t political it was a statement of fact.
     
    #15
  16. lardiman

    lardiman We can rebuild him Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2016
    Messages:
    13,827
    Likes Received:
    9,586
    Fair enough, I won't mention it again :emoticon-0145-shake It used to be something I got worked up about (like football politics) but not anymore. Just a lazy bank holiday afternoon post...
     
    #16
    Smudger603 likes this.
  17. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    I remember Sir Alex as a player. The nearest equivalent I can think of is John Fashanu. Not hugely talented, but very physical, made the most of what he had. In his book he mentions that he was on his way to a tough cup-tie at Kilmarnock. I was at that game, and what he didn't mention was that he scored both goals for Dunfermline in a 2-2 draw, and he scored the winner in a 1-0 win in the replay.
    Man is a political animal. I've been following politics since 1964. My late father once told me that if people wanted politicians who told the truth they would elect them.
     
    #17
  18. User deleted as requested

    User deleted as requested Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2013
    Messages:
    18,196
    Likes Received:
    8,079
    I’ve got a Masters in PPE - and no wish to talk about it on here :emoticon-0148-yes:

    Back to what we all agree on ...Duchatelet is a cvnt <cheers>
     
    #18
    ForestHillBilly likes this.
  19. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,601
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Sir Alex Ferguson out of intensive care<somersault>.
     
    #19
    DickPlumb likes this.
  20. lardiman

    lardiman We can rebuild him Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2016
    Messages:
    13,827
    Likes Received:
    9,586
    Very good news indeed <ok>

    I heard an expert on TV saying the chances of a full or nearly full recovery from this kind of traumatic event were only about 20%.
    Sounds as if Sir Alex is doing well so far.
     
    #20

Share This Page