Just testing the water on support for a 'sin bin' type penalty in Association Football. It could be 10mins, 5mins; separate from a yellow card, or accompanying a yellow card.
I'm definitely in favour of it, however I'm not sure how it would work. Should we have a 'third card' (different to a yellow or a red)?
In Rugby a yellow is sin bin for 10 mins and red is sending off. 2 yellows in same match still leads to a red. Easy to understand and administer
Good question. I guess things like: Persistent fouling Minor violent conduct (shoving, getting in a player's face and 'mock-headbutting' etc) Foul and abusive language towards an official
Not sure how Rugby addresses this but how would the system cope if number of players off the pitch exceeded 3. Would a mandatory substitution have to be made for one of the offenders?
I must admit I have never seen more than 2 players from same team in sin bin at same time. I assume you just carry on,with 10 or 9 or 8. The dozy twats would soon learn
I'd be up for it, ideally as part of a huge tightening up of regulations. If a player is getting booked and 10 minutes in the sin bin for every time they swear at the ref, they'll quickly learn to show some respect.
I said 'no', as you can get yellow cards for ridiculous things like removing your shirt, and losing a man for ten minutes for that is ridiculous. Maybe in place of a red card, as long as the red card isn't given for dangerous play?
Then they would no longer do "stupid" things so it would be an effective deterrent, for me that is the reason for following some of the rugby rules, I also like the idea of moving free kicks forward following dissent. Ways to improve the on pitch professionalism are needed. And biting other players is dealt with by allowing the opposing captain to smack the fecker on the nose
Watford fan in peace. I'd like to see it for dissent and gamesmanship (e.g. yellow card waving and deliberately trying to influence officals). they'd learn soon enough. Of course the really sad thing is all you'd be doing is trying to get players to conform to what was the normal standard of behaviour no more than 20 years ago............
Fairest way - if ever it gets off the ground is 1) yellow card for 1st offence, as now. 2) 'X' minutes in sin bin, so you've disadvantaged your team for that time. 3) any other infringement and it's a cumulative red card, as now. As players would get a perceived 'final chance' under this system, the first yellow could include things like shirt pulling by players at corners/set pieces - it merits a talking to in nearly every game, this system would hopefully stop it happening by making it a bookable offence
Definitely. Should be used for all yellow card offences now. Especially the cynical "bring him down on the break" tackles and the horrible diving. I'm not too fussed about the yellow card for taking the shirt off, but if they want to cut that out it can be a sin-bin offence. I also like the +10m rule for even the slightest dissent from anyone other than the captain, and the captain can only ask the reason for a decision.
Yep - a deffo from me. 10 minutes in the cooler for "girly diving", shirt-pulling/wrestling with an opponent, persistent fouling (watch out Bradders and Holty), verbal abuse to an official/player and 15 minutes in the cooler for deliberate, cynical fouling, dangerous play and conceding a penalty. All offences getting a yellow except the penalty one if it is a deliberate foul as the "last man" or a deliberate handball to stop a goal being scored which would be, as now, an automatic red.
Yes, good idea JK. Works in Rugby and Ice Hockey and keeps people a bit more honest. Shirt tugging, petulence that sort of thing as well as dramatically rolling around on the floor when they haven't been touched. Pretty sure that a bit more discipline like that will improve the game as a whole and could be more effective than just a yellow card on its own. Once teams start losing goals the mindset of managers and then players could well change and that would be for the better of the game as a whole. Christ some games like Uruguay vs Argentina might end up being a 5 -a-side game.
Saints fan here - yep absolutely, not only that but Mike up refs so everyone can hear "talking to"'s and make it so that only the captain can even talk to the ref. Again, as in Rugby.
I especially like this for diving. Every incident I have seen where a player was booked for diving this season, the player has gone to ground in a far too OTT manner, irrespective of whether it was, in fact, a dive. At the moment, players can dive flamboyantly, feel aggreived if it was actually a foul and they are booked, but no real consequence comes from this exaggeration. If the risk of making the most of a foul is potentially punishable with a ten minute breather, that would cut it down substantially because players would tend to only go down when they have genuinely been brought down. It would also stop commentators saying that Snodders "should have gone down", as they did on three occasions that I can think of and I thought it was commendable, even though it might have won us a penalty. On which note, I think they should change the policy about if a defender fouls an attacker with their legs, but the other player doesn't go down it apparently is not a foul - it's contradictory to the pushing rule with 50/50 headers (which is equally random).
